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AndrewS

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Is that the question we were talking about? I thought the question is about PLA using their ASBMs to force USN out of the 2nd Island Chain, isn't it?

ASBMs are very useful, but they are not a wonder weapon
You still need the rest of the kill chain and the US fleet is being reconfigured to conduct standoff attacks at a distance of up to 3000km
 

Michaelsinodef

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ASBMs are very useful, but they are not a wonder weapon
You still need the rest of the kill chain and the US fleet is being reconfigured to conduct standoff attacks at a distance of up to 3000km
If the DF-21D or the DF-26 can actually reach such a range, lol what are the US gonna do then?
 

AndrewS

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what ever catapult you installed, you always need deck wind to save your deck from catapult length. That will be 25 knots at least I think.

There is actually a limit to catapult length, because the airplane tires are only rated for certain speeds

For heavily laden fighter jets, airspeed over the wings is a big issue. An F/A-18E typically has a takeoff speed of 305km/h

But an E-2D (and presumably the KJ-600 / GJ-11) has lower takeoff and approach speeds, so theoretically they wouldn't need any deck wind?
 

AndrewS

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We will never know...

The military spending figures for the US and Russia are fairly solid at 3.5%-4% over the past 20 years
IIRC, even the high Pentagon estimates for Chinese military spending top out at 2.5%, which is substantially below this level
So I'm happy to go with SIPRI's estimate of 1.7% for Chinese military spending

The conclusion is that China isn't in a serious military arms race
But if China did double military spending to 3.4%, we'd be seeing military procurement running at twice current levels

Eg. In the next 5 year plan (2021-2025), naval shipbuilding could look like this

40 Type-054 Frigates
40 Type-052 Destroyers
16 Type-055 Cruisers
2 Supercarriers (85k tonnes with EMALs)
etc etc

I'd also see them building up to 6 SSNs per year. That would would mean 30 SSNs just in this period
 

Michaelsinodef

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They have to obtain a targeting position on the carrier first
And that will likely come from satellites or aircraft, which can be shot down
I'm quite skeptical that we see China/US shooting each others satelites down (there's so many up there), and it will most likely also result in a lot more tensions (less able to get first warning of the other party firing nukes).
 

Andy1974

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What do you think about the idea of a rechargeable battery powered submarine?

It could recharge at wind turbines, or from power lines on the bottom.
 

blindsight

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What do you think about the idea of a rechargeable battery powered submarine?

It could recharge at wind turbines, or from power lines on the bottom.
Underwater charging stations? It may be a good idea, but I guess they'll be very difficult to maintain.
 

blindsight

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They have to obtain a targeting position on the carrier first
And that will likely come from satellites or aircraft, which can be shot down
So you mean satellites and aircrafts can be shot down but CVs and other US ships can't be sunk?
Since you mentioned satellites, PLA actually has an advantage in rapid launching capability with their mobile solid rockets.
 

Andy1974

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Underwater charging stations? It may be a good idea, but I guess they'll be very difficult to maintain.
Not if it’s civilian infrastructure, civil-military fusion. China is taking marine development very seriously, from huge fish farms to offshore power stations to fossil fuel exploration and utilization.

I think we will see a huge amount of marine infrastructure being built in the years ahead, all of which needs clean power.
 

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