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halflife3

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Why do Type 99A tank have so many different irregularly shaped add on armor? What is the reason for this.
 

PhSt

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Has China developed its own early warning radar like the PAVE PAWS or Voronezh? there doesn't seem to be any information about it unlike NATO and Russian systems.
 

gelgoog

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Has China developed its own early warning radar like the PAVE PAWS or Voronezh? there doesn't seem to be any information about it unlike NATO and Russian systems.


China has an Over The Horizon (OTH) radar network. Russia also has a deal with China to provide them with early warning radar system technology and access.

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Aniah

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What generations of night vision does China have access to? I was looking at some Chinese night vision for civilians and came across a comment that said China has no access to 3rd generation night vision goggles or can't domestically produce them. Does anyone have better knowledge on what domestically made generation night vision goggles are available?
 

halflife3

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What generations of night vision does China have access to? I was looking at some Chinese night vision for civilians and came across a comment that said China has no access to 3rd generation night vision goggles or can't domestically produce them. Does anyone have better knowledge on what domestically made generation night vision goggles are available?
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LawLeadsToPeace

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That cool! But what about the PLA or PAP issued ones? Do you have any info on the military use night visions?
According to some articles I searched on the web, the newest one they got (the one we saw in the parade) uses a tech called the NVT 7 micro-optical image intensifier. Here is a comparison between the old and new ones (keep in mind that the photos below are unfortunately not of the highest quality):
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So, I would say the Chinese got to Gen 3. As for what they are currently fielding aside from the new ones, well, you got the Leishen Commandos with their gen 2's:
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and recon units with their Gen 1's:
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In short, unlike the US military, the PLA is very inconsistent with how they distribute and upgrade their nvg's. As for the PAP, well, for whatever the PLA got in regards to infantry gear, they got them as well, perhaps even better gear as evidenced in the equipment thread.
 
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James Zhen

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Hi, I usually wouldn't talk on SDF but I've notice some of the things people have said and I'd like to correct you on some of them.

The "GEN 1" night vision devices you are referring to is the BBG011A and it is the most commonly issued night vision goggles for the PLA. It is based off the French LUCIE NVG with minor improvements such as allowing it to accept more common tubes on the market. The BBG011A is a singular tube but has simulates bino like the PVS-7. So far it's been mostly seen issued to recon units or tezhan units (特战) . BBG011A uses gen 2+ tubes,
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Regarding which generation it belongs to, I believe its best for you to just do a few more researching, a simple googling would have done the job like I had.

The state of China's NVG situation is complex and are often based on speculations but China has the ability to produce Gen3 NVGs but when it comes down to issuing those Gen 3 NVGs, it is literally because the PLA came in late into the "NVGs for soldiers" spectrum and budgetary issues. (Personally, considering the state of the Ground Force itself with how the resources have been directed to PLAN and PLAAF. I am not surprised)

The new "NVG" that has been seen with the Xingkong kit is a digital NVG is not suppose to be a night vision device as its primary function but are focused on the digital side, the IFF system, the datalink, navigation etc. (Sort of like what you'd see in Arma 3) The PLA had been experimenting with digital NVGs for a while now but digital gets inherently worse low light performance with the current state of technology and the new digital NVGs has been not performing well in extreme low light conditions and some PLA soldiers saying it's worse then their gen 2s. It's worth noting that the PLA itself knows the digital NVGs are terrible and it's not meant to replace the I2 tubes but to provide a cheaper solution for night navigation capabilities.

The said digital "nvg" has also been seen issued as a standalone. Most noticeably out west, here is a picture of a commander of a 76th SOF battalion in Panggong lake last year. (This might also mean it's more a quick stop gap solution.) View attachment 70952

Lastly, what you've stated about the PAP is not correct, they either get the hand downs from the PLA or buy their own night vision devices.
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Sorry for bad English I am from Poland.

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voyager1

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Hi, I usually wouldn't talk on SDF but I've notice some of the things people have said and I'd like to correct you on some of them.

The "GEN 1" night vision devices you are referring to is the BBG011A and it is the most commonly issued night vision goggles for the PLA. It is based off the French LUCIE NVG with minor improvements such as allowing it to accept more common tubes on the market. The BBG011A is a singular tube but has simulates bino like the PVS-7. So far it's been mostly seen issued to recon units or tezhan units (特战) . BBG011A uses gen 2+ tubes,
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Regarding which generation it belongs to, I believe its best for you to just do a few more researching, a simple googling would have done the job like I had.

The state of China's NVG situation is complex and are often based on speculations but China has the ability to produce Gen3 NVGs but when it comes down to issuing those Gen 3 NVGs, it is literally because the PLA came in late into the "NVGs for soldiers" spectrum and budgetary issues. (Personally, considering the state of the Ground Force itself with how the resources have been directed to PLAN and PLAAF. I am not surprised)

The new "NVG" that has been seen with the Xingkong kit is a digital NVG is not suppose to be a night vision device as its primary function but are focused on the digital side, the IFF system, the datalink, navigation etc. (Sort of like what you'd see in Arma 3) The PLA had been experimenting with digital NVGs for a while now but digital gets inherently worse low light performance with the current state of technology and the new digital NVGs has been not performing well in extreme low light conditions and some PLA soldiers saying it's worse then their gen 2s. It's worth noting that the PLA itself knows the digital NVGs are terrible and it's not meant to replace the I2 tubes but to provide a cheaper solution for night navigation capabilities.

The said digital "nvg" has also been seen issued as a standalone. Most noticeably out west, here is a picture of a commander of a 76th SOF battalion in Panggong lake last year. (This might also mean it's more a quick stop gap solution.) View attachment 70952

Lastly, what you've stated about the PAP is not correct, they either get the hand downs from the PLA or buy their own night vision devices.
8057404ca6ba5b629fb84a54fc259619.png

ab29635db8ebebdda5711237dbdf00f5.png

Sorry for bad English I am from Poland.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Hi, just jumping in to thank you for posting your analysis and correction here
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Hi, I usually wouldn't talk on SDF but I've notice some of the things people have said and I'd like to correct you on some of them.

The "GEN 1" night vision devices you are referring to is the BBG011A and it is the most commonly issued night vision goggles for the PLA. It is based off the French LUCIE NVG with minor improvements such as allowing it to accept more common tubes on the market. The BBG011A is a singular tube but has simulates bino like the PVS-7. So far it's been mostly seen issued to recon units or tezhan units (特战) . BBG011A uses gen 2+ tubes,
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Regarding which generation it belongs to, I believe its best for you to just do a few more researching, a simple googling would have done the job like I had.

The state of China's NVG situation is complex and are often based on speculations but China has the ability to produce Gen3 NVGs but when it comes down to issuing those Gen 3 NVGs, it is literally because the PLA came in late into the "NVGs for soldiers" spectrum and budgetary issues. (Personally, considering the state of the Ground Force itself with how the resources have been directed to PLAN and PLAAF. I am not surprised)

The new "NVG" that has been seen with the Xingkong kit is a digital NVG is not suppose to be a night vision device as its primary function but are focused on the digital side, the IFF system, the datalink, navigation etc. (Sort of like what you'd see in Arma 3) The PLA had been experimenting with digital NVGs for a while now but digital gets inherently worse low light performance with the current state of technology and the new digital NVGs has been not performing well in extreme low light conditions and some PLA soldiers saying it's worse then their gen 2s. It's worth noting that the PLA itself knows the digital NVGs are terrible and it's not meant to replace the I2 tubes but to provide a cheaper solution for night navigation capabilities.

The said digital "nvg" has also been seen issued as a standalone. Most noticeably out west, here is a picture of a commander of a 76th SOF battalion in Panggong lake last year. (This might also mean it's more a quick stop gap solution.) View attachment 70952

Lastly, what you've stated about the PAP is not correct, they either get the hand downs from the PLA or buy their own night vision devices.
8057404ca6ba5b629fb84a54fc259619.png

ab29635db8ebebdda5711237dbdf00f5.png

Sorry for bad English I am from Poland.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
Thanks for the corrections. Also if you see any problems, just fire away even if you have to rant. When it comes to technical stuff, this forum is always open to corrections if needed since hunting for this kind of stuff is pretty hard for some of us who don’t understand the Chinese realm of the Internet.
 

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