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xypher

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@Overbom @xypher and others, what's the difference and even the added value/advantage of the recently released Alibaba A.I. over Hygen A.I.?

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Both models seem to be proprietary (AliBaba has the paper but actual trained weights & code are not published) and I couldn't find much information on HeyGen (like architecture etc.) other than its website, so it's hard to exactly say what are the differences since you cannot freely test them out. From what I can deduce, it seems like the main edge of EMO is the handling of fast-paced audio like songs since I did not find many examples of HeyGen animating something other than speech. Any other direct comparisons are hard to make without having both models side-to-side on similar inputs.

EDIT: I actually researched and read more about HeyGen, the main product requires an actual video input to produce an avatar while EMO only requires a still image + audio on inference time (it additionally needs frames with facial movements during train time), so there is a massive difference. However, they do have a "Photo Avatar" tool which seems to be similar to what EMO is doing but from whatever snippets I could find, it seems that the animation quality is far worse than EMO's - the movements and facial expressions are pretty unnatural and rudimentary, it is incapable of animating small face muscle movements and I'm not sure it is capable of emulating the body movements (like e.g. in EMO's Rap God example). There is another similar model from Pika Labs but its quality is also garbage compared to what AliBaba has shown.
 
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(PDF) International Monetary Fund.
Within countries, common patterns emerge in [Advanced Economies (AEs)] and [Emerging Markets (EMs)]. Women and highly educated workers face greater occupational exposure to AI, at both high and low complementarity. Workers in the upper tail of the earnings distribution are more likely to be in occupations with high exposure but also high potential complementarity.



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Sure, buddy.

 

gpt

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Discussion about US-China gap in AI development and race to AGI

Some thoughts about the article: yes, China doesn't at the moment have domestic silicon manufacturing as advanced as competing nations, but SMIC is producing 7nm chips - far more advanced than the double-digit process referenced in the article. There are of course benefits to smaller process nodes, but nothing prevents SIMD processors at larger nodes from running the same accelerated code as smaller nodes. If the Chinese government were so inclined it could manufacture what it needs and eat the higher energy costs. They already build supercomputers for state projects, this is just a different kind of computer.
Model alignment is of course an open problem, but it isn't insurmountable.
Censorship isn't stopping domestic businesses from creating conversational AIs today.
The Chinese government is certainly aware of the potential of AGI and is certainly working on projects in private to pursue their goals.
A "race" might not be the best term for the ongoing situation, while the US does have the lions share of resources in this area I wouldn't dismiss China as incapable in this area, especially in AI application.

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Bellum_Romanum

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Discussion about US-China gap in AI development and race to AGI

Some thoughts about the article: yes, China doesn't at the moment have domestic silicon manufacturing as advanced as competing nations, but SMIC is producing 7nm chips - far more advanced than the double-digit process referenced in the article. There are of course benefits to smaller process nodes, but nothing prevents SIMD processors at larger nodes from running the same accelerated code as smaller nodes. If the Chinese government were so inclined it could manufacture what it needs and eat the higher energy costs. They already build supercomputers for state projects, this is just a different kind of computer.
Model alignment is of course an open problem, but it isn't insurmountable.
Censorship isn't stopping domestic businesses from creating conversational AIs today.
The Chinese government is certainly aware of the potential of AGI and is certainly working on projects in private to pursue their goals.
A "race" might not be the best term for the ongoing situation, while the US does have the lions share of resources in this area I wouldn't dismiss China as incapable in this area, especially in AI application.

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For a website that pride and calls itself LESS WRONG (LW) they couldn't be more anything but WRONG.
 

Tianxiang

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That looks really interesting, but seeing the NVIDIA GPU and Intel CPU on a Huawei laptop still gives me Apple "pre-M1" vibes. I know HarmonyOS Next is being prioritized for phones, but I'm guessing it will come to a future Kirin-powered laptop as well? That's when things will start to get really interesting, IMO.

If Huawei can control both the chips and the OS, they can probably get way more mileage out of AI than they can right now.
 

siegecrossbow

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That looks really interesting, but seeing the NVIDIA GPU and Intel CPU on a Huawei laptop still gives me Apple "pre-M1" vibes. I know HarmonyOS Next is being prioritized for phones, but I'm guessing it will come to a future Kirin-powered laptop as well? That's when things will start to get really interesting, IMO.

If Huawei can control both the chips and the OS, they can probably get way more mileage out of AI than they can right now.

Honor is not Huawei anymore.
 

Tianxiang

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Honor is not Huawei anymore.
Got it, thanks for correcting me. I don't know how I missed that, the name "Honor" being a Huawei brand is just stuck in my head.

I'm just too excited over the prospect of a HarmonyOSNext & Kirin Huawei laptop with strong AI potential. It makes so much sense that I'm sure the next couple of years will be very interesting.
 
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