Artificial Intelligence thread

[manqiangrexue]

Not justifying them, but for people that far into their careers many of them have obtained a green card or at the very least sunk at least 2 million dollars already into a house. Whatever one's political beliefs, having that much in assets does create a kind of golden handcuffs situation that they would be hesitant to part with even as dire as the situation is getting.

Other things to consider too. Even if they wish to work in Chinese AI in the future, with the release of Sora 2, the USA is still undoubtedly the place to be in AI. So I wouldn't be surprised if many of these engineers, even if they have plans to return to China, figure it'd be beneficial to obtain more expertise in America before doing so.

None of this changes current trends, where with the $100,000 H1-B fee and China's K-visa, talent will begin flowing in one direction from here on out. So as long as China can get its chips up to Nvidia's computing power, the AI sector will eventually catch up and everyone from fresh out of college grads to long time veterans in the US industry will follow suit.

I totally understand that situation. I wanted to return to China but there wasn't demand for the medical genetics skill, especially using American Illumina technology. If I forced it and went anyway, I would probably end up an underpaid work grunt competing with people willing to work 18 hours a day to please the boss pissed off that I'm there at all to steal someone's spot. In America, my life is easy as hell; the competition here sucks. So, now the labor markets say it's just stupid to go.

However, if he had skills that China wanted, then none of that would be an obstacle for him or for me. If China wanted your skills, sell your house for whatever and go; you'll be taken care of. I don't know if that's his situation but it ain't mine unfortunately.

 

[GZDRefugee]

I totally understand that situation. I wanted to return to China but there wasn't demand for the medical genetics skill, especially using American Illumina technology. If I forced it and went anyway, I would probably end up an underpaid work grunt competing with people willing to work 18 hours a day to please the boss pissed off that I'm there at all to steal someone's spot. In America, my life is easy as hell; the competition here sucks. So, now the labor markets say it's just stupid to go.

However, if he had skills that China wanted, then none of that would be an obstacle for him or for me. If China wanted your skills, sell your house for whatever and go; you'll be taken care of. I don't know if that's his situation but it ain't mine unfortunately.

Having a spouse and kids severely affects mobility as well.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Having a spouse and kids severely affects mobility as well.

I was ready to move all of them if only my skills were in demand in China. But China's genetics field is saturated; most American genetics professionals are Chinese. My wife is in economics; she says she can't get hired in China because they'll ask how many kids she has and when she says she has 4 kids under 4 years old, she'll get laughed out the room for even applying. Then, my 4 kids are from surrogates and their passports say born in Kazakhstan. No Chinese elementary school would accept them because surrogacy is politically unacceptable in China. So... what can I do? I really tried my best but forcing a family move to China at this point is basically jumping into the gorilla enclosure and hoping for the best.

The plan is to raise them through high school and then go. Hopefully a skills shuffle will mean that I can be useful. My wife will be employable again with all kids in college, and Chinese colleges don't care about surrogacy, only elementary/middle schools.

 

[lockedemosthenes1]

I was ready to move all of them if only my skills were in demand in China. But China's genetics field is saturated; most American genetics professionals are Chinese. My wife is in economics; she says she can't get hired in China because they'll ask how many kids she has and when she says she has 4 kids under 4 years old, she'll get laughed out the room for even applying. Then, my 4 kids are from surrogates and their passports say born in Kazakhstan. No Chinese elementary school would accept them because surrogacy is politically unacceptable in China. So... what can I do? I really tried my best but forcing a family move to China at this point is basically jumping into the gorilla enclosure and hoping for the best.

The plan is to raise them through high school and then go. Hopefully a skills shuffle will mean that I can be useful. My wife will be employable again with all kids in college, and Chinese colleges don't care about surrogacy, only elementary/middle schools.

Sir, if the comparison of job opportunities between domestic and international markets is as such, does this imply that it is reasonable for many Chinese to seek work abroad or even immigrate? For instance, those Chinese-born artificial intelligence talents who have moved to the United States?

 

[manqiangrexue]

Sir, if the comparison of job opportunities between domestic and international markets is as such, does this imply that it is reasonable for many Chinese to seek work abroad or even immigrate? For instance, those Chinese-born artificial intelligence talents who have moved to the United States?

It's the reality of life. If you are a trained AI talent in China and you can't find a job in China suitable for your skills, you go to another country that offers you such a position rather than work as a delivery boy in China and have your skills rot into obsolescence. But the hope is that if they become a star talent that China wants back, they remember their roots and return.