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Hendrik_2000

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American economy well being depend on immigrant talent and skill remove that and it will be the beginning of end of American dominance in tech Here is an excelent article on American dependance on Chinese talent when they put restriction on Chinese graduate student access to American university They are just cutting their own nose That is the biggest gift to China imagine thousand of highly educated Chinese returning to China and bolster their tech. Excerpt

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A U.S. Secret Weapon in A.I.: Chinese Talent
New research shows scientists educated in China help American firms and schools dominate the cutting-edge field. Now industry leaders worry that worsening political tensions will blunt that edge.


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By Ella Koeze·Original sample was made up of 671 authors of a random selection of 175 papers selected from the over 1,400 papers presented at NeurIPS 2019, a top A.I. conference. None of the 128 researchers represented here are current students. Post-graduate work countries are based on where the researcher lives, not where their company or institution is headquartered. Data is current as of the first quarter of 2020. | Source: MacroPolo

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Published June 9, 2020Updated June 10, 2020, 2:39 a.m. ET
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When the Defense Department launched
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, an effort to remake American military technology through artificial intelligence, it leaned on a team of about a dozen engineers working at Google. Many of them, according to two people familiar with the arrangement, were Chinese citizens.
The Pentagon was fine with that, they said, even amid rising tensions between Washington and Beijing. Classified data was not involved, the Pentagon reasoned, and the American military needed the most qualified minds for the job.
The Trump administration is now moving to limit Chinese access to advanced American research, as relations between the United States and China reach
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. That worries many of the companies and scientists in the heady realm of cutting-edge A.I., because much of the groundbreaking work coming out of the United States has been powered by Chinese brains.
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— a think tank run by the Paulson Institute, which promotes constructive ties between the United States and China — estimated that Chinese-educated researchers comprised nearly one-third of the authors of the papers accepted and promoted at a prestigious A.I. conference last year, more than from any other country. But it also found that most of them lived in the United States and worked for American companies and universities.
 

nugroho

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American economy well being depend on immigrant talent and skill remove that and it will be the beginning of end of American dominance in tech Here is an excelent article on American dependance on Chinese talent when they put restriction on Chinese graduate student access to American university They are just cutting their own nose That is the biggest gift to China imagine thousand of highly educated Chinese returning to China and bolster their tech. Excerpt

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A U.S. Secret Weapon in A.I.: Chinese Talent
New research shows scientists educated in China help American firms and schools dominate the cutting-edge field. Now industry leaders worry that worsening political tensions will blunt that edge.


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By Ella Koeze·Original sample was made up of 671 authors of a random selection of 175 papers selected from the over 1,400 papers presented at NeurIPS 2019, a top A.I. conference. None of the 128 researchers represented here are current students. Post-graduate work countries are based on where the researcher lives, not where their company or institution is headquartered. Data is current as of the first quarter of 2020. | Source: MacroPolo

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When the Defense Department launched
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, an effort to remake American military technology through artificial intelligence, it leaned on a team of about a dozen engineers working at Google. Many of them, according to two people familiar with the arrangement, were Chinese citizens.
The Pentagon was fine with that, they said, even amid rising tensions between Washington and Beijing. Classified data was not involved, the Pentagon reasoned, and the American military needed the most qualified minds for the job.
The Trump administration is now moving to limit Chinese access to advanced American research, as relations between the United States and China reach
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. That worries many of the companies and scientists in the heady realm of cutting-edge A.I., because much of the groundbreaking work coming out of the United States has been powered by Chinese brains.
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— a think tank run by the Paulson Institute, which promotes constructive ties between the United States and China — estimated that Chinese-educated researchers comprised nearly one-third of the authors of the papers accepted and promoted at a prestigious A.I. conference last year, more than from any other country. But it also found that most of them lived in the United States and worked for American companies and universities.
hearing that Chinese graduated from US universities working at US is "Normal ", but knowing that more than half Chinese undergraduated from China also working at US is really shocking, does US and China salary for in PPP term for those people differ a lot?
 

Hendrik_2000

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hearing that Chinese graduated from US universities working at US is "Normal ", but knowing that more than half Chinese undergraduated from China also working at US is really shocking, does US and China salary for in PPP term for those people differ a lot?
That is not what the article said It said some of them did their undergraduate in China latter they move tos US to do their graduate study Some did they undergraduate in US
 
hearing that Chinese graduated from US universities working at US is "Normal ", but knowing that more than half Chinese undergraduated from China also working at US is really shocking, does US and China salary for in PPP term for those people differ a lot?
In general, China pays less than the US and you can buy less with your pay in China that you can with your pay in the US, especially if you compare somewhere like Beijing/Shanghai to somewhere like Texas/Georgia. However, this flip flops when applied to super talents in which China can pay ridiculous amounts for. So this results in a dynamic in which if you are just starting out or the kind of employee who takes orders rather than makes decisions (I call these linear contributors) such as a lab tech or lab assistant/aide, your life will be way easier in the US than in China. But if you are a top expert who calls the shots and leads innovation (I call these force multipliers), then your life will be better off in China because while the US will pay you very well, China will pay you riches fit for a king. And of course, there are far less of force multipliers than linear contributors in any field.
 

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In general, China pays less than the US and you can buy less with your pay in China that you can with your pay in the US, especially if you compare somewhere like Beijing/Shanghai to somewhere like Texas/Georgia. However, this flip flops when applied to super talents in which China can pay ridiculous amounts for. So this results in a dynamic in which if you are just starting out or the kind of employee who takes orders rather than makes decisions (I call these linear contributors) such as a lab tech or lab assistant/aide, your life will be way easier in the US than in China. But if you are a top expert who calls the shots and leads innovation (I call these force multipliers), then your life will be better off in China because while the US will pay you very well, China will pay you riches fit for a king. And of course, there are far less of force multipliers than linear contributors in any field.

Truly exceptional people can make a name for themselves in China and become a superstar.

A Chinese will always be a Chinese in the US and have to struggle like Zoom's founder.
 

2handedswordsman

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Truly exceptional people can make a name for themselves in China and become a superstar.

A Chinese will always be a Chinese in the US and have to struggle like Zoom's founder.
Don't say that, many Chinese people in West are respected from actors, athletes, philosophers,scientists even Mao himself. So Chinese civilisation as a whole. US is not just Trump. I understand what you mean though...
 

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