American Economics Thread

manqiangrexue

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I think one can have both though: cultivating a culture of deep distrust of the West yet see studying abroad as a necessary evil to take back advanced knowledge. Chinese people can also put on a polite fake persona when they are around westerners to put them at ease, it's what most westerners do best anyway.
Don't think so. You're not training a spy team; you're trying to inject that personality into an enormous population of people and I don't think it's possible or beneficial because it will cause honest people to become two-faced people at the core. It's also going to become quite obvious to the West from interactions and post-graduation choices that they are taking a huge one-way loss when they educate Chinese students who view them with contempt. The population is simple. If something is positive, they gravitate towards it and if it is negative, they wish to stay away. They do not develop different personalities for interacting with different people.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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I think one can have both though: cultivating a culture of deep distrust of the West yet see studying abroad as a necessary evil to take back advanced knowledge. Chinese people can also put on a polite fake persona when they are around westerners to put them at ease, it's what most westerners do best anyway.
Being two faced is a critical part of Japanese culture. They make a very large distinction between public face 表 (omote) and private face 里 (ura).

Chinese do not share the view that being two faced is good.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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You know, this is like, complete lunacy.

So let's hope they do it.

They probably will get Jerome to crank up the printing presses for that.

Some parts about America, seem like an empty shell.

:oops:
Haven't they been repeating this same line since 2016? And here we are, still reading the same headline heading into 2023.
 

horse

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Haven't they been repeating this same line since 2016? And here we are, still reading the same headline heading into 2023.

This is my feeling about it.

This O-Ran thing did not surface until 2019 in a bigger higher profile kind of way.

For that to work, two things are needed; the O-Ran would need independent manufacturers providing various parts of the network, and the software to integrate all of that.

Currently, there seems to be very little equipment built, and since there is no such equipment in that kind of network, there is no software.

This is what is known as vaporware.

Now we get to the lunacy part.

That article was actually talking about setting industry standards for vaporware.

Like, they can go bleep themselves, you know what I mean.

:D
 

horse

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1. That is what dollar hegemony is all about. Buy raw materials cheap, then after making the product, sell it back to the people expensive, the US dollar price.

2. The entire rules based international order is to maintain this current arrangement. This is not America acting alone. Other countries can benefit too, so those countries have a stake in it, to maintain this current system.

3. The US government actions towards Huawei, was disproportionate. It's only telecom gear. Who can give a hoot? Maybe the Americans saw in Huawei an alternative system. Before, everything was American, after the war, the systems that the world runs on, were basically American. Huawei success with 5G, showed the world we do not need American systems. The most important American system is the US dollar hegemony. Do not let people have any ideas otherwise.

4. Got to give the American financial class a lot of credit. They shaped the way things worked worldwide, to enrich themselves, often at the expense of others, including the US government. Others may not have even figured out what happened to them, or is happening to them.


5. It is very impressive. The Americans do not even own the means of production. They own property rights to the IP, and they own logistical capabilities, coming into and out of America, aka, the distribution network, with Amazon and friends the enablers of that. From that, and some lobbying for the right government policies, they made all that wealth for themselves.

6. China, for better or for worst, will NOT co-operate with this kind of American lead world. There is a lot more to say about that, but that is like this entire forum, lol.

7, The guy who wrote that tweet, saying it is depressing, has no clue on how to fight back. Too bad for him. He should just follow the news on what CPC does.

:D
 

chlosy

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1. That is what dollar hegemony is all about. Buy raw materials cheap, then after making the product, sell it back to the people expensive, the US dollar price.

2. The entire rules based international order is to maintain this current arrangement. This is not America acting alone. Other countries can benefit too, so those countries have a stake in it, to maintain this current system.

3. The US government actions towards Huawei, was disproportionate. It's only telecom gear. Who can give a hoot? Maybe the Americans saw in Huawei an alternative system. Before, everything was American, after the war, the systems that the world runs on, were basically American. Huawei success with 5G, showed the world we do not need American systems. The most important American system is the US dollar hegemony. Do not let people have any ideas otherwise.

4. Got to give the American financial class a lot of credit. They shaped the way things worked worldwide, to enrich themselves, often at the expense of others, including the US government. Others may not have even figured out what happened to them, or is happening to them.


5. It is very impressive. The Americans do not even own the means of production. They own property rights to the IP, and they own logistical capabilities, coming into and out of America, aka, the distribution network, with Amazon and friends the enablers of that. From that, and some lobbying for the right government policies, they made all that wealth for themselves.

6. China, for better or for worst, will NOT co-operate with this kind of American lead world. There is a lot more to say about that, but that is like this entire forum, lol.

7, The guy who wrote that tweet, saying it is depressing, has no clue on how to fight back. Too bad for him. He should just follow the news on what CPC does.

:D
Any updates on the petroyuan? Possible to start a thread on the petroyuan? I think this is the biggest threat to dollar hegemony.
 

TK3600

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3. The US government actions towards Huawei, was disproportionate. It's only telecom gear. Who can give a hoot? Maybe the Americans saw in Huawei an alternative system. Before, everything was American, after the war, the systems that the world runs on, were basically American. Huawei success with 5G, showed the world we do not need American systems. The most important American system is the US dollar hegemony. Do not let people have any ideas otherwise.
I think this is an interesting point. If it really is just telecom gear who give a hoot? I speculate American lack of research into 5G makes wiretapping harder. If their vassal states were to acquire 5G from Huawei it meant their control over their vassal leader weakens. In other words Huawei would be a strong national security threat to US, just not the way they tell you. Additionally if Huawei 5G is just telecom gears, why do countries sour their relations with US just to buy Huawei? For instance Qatar and Kuwait are giving up F-35 for Huawei gears. If those are just telecom gears are they really worth the geopolitical risk and advanced weapon sales?
 

Overbom

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I think this is an interesting point. If it really is just telecom gear who give a hoot? I speculate American lack of research into 5G makes wiretapping harder. If their vassal states were to acquire 5G from Huawei it meant their control over their vassal leader weakens. In other words Huawei would be a strong national security threat to US, just not the way they tell you. Additionally if Huawei 5G is just telecom gears, why do countries sour their relations with US just to buy Huawei? For instance Qatar and Kuwait are giving up F-35 for Huawei gears. If those are just telecom gears are they really worth the geopolitical risk and advanced weapon sales?
That's pretty well known here. America is afraid of Huawei because they dont have NSA-sponsored backdoors. This makes monitoring and blackmailing vassal states an order of magnitude more difficult than it is now
 
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