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Gatekeeper

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Their market valuation is skyrocketing because people can see they are succeeding.

Apple's revenue is $59 billion a quarter.

China's biggest tech company, Tencent, makes $16 billion a quarter.

People need to let go of the idea that somehow acknowledging the reality of US strength in economics is "trolling" or "anti-China". It doesn't help a weak fighter to have him convinced he can beat a stronger fighter. If you are truly on the side of the weak fighter, you will want him to know he is weak. It's pro-China to advocate China acknowledges reality and makes policy accordingly.

Please brush up on your understanding on economics and in particular the workings of stock market.

The market is a reflection of the FUTURE expectation of returns, not of the past performance of companies.

So in theory, if a particular stock is up, it is on the expectation of future outcome. Past performance only counts if the profits generated is reinvested in a worthwhile project. If profits just goes to pay investors, then it won't generate future profits.

Revenues you sited is it profits? There's a big differences between net profits and revenue (gross profits).

Also, at the moment, all the economic indicators are there's going to be a lot of pain in the future for the USA economy. The repayment of the national debts is going to 'taxed' future tax payers for many years to come which will dampen the spending powers in the consumers pockets which should leads to less discretionary spending in the future.

Here's an article regarding potential bubbles.

Please please critically analyse this before claiming everything is fine and dandy with the US economy.

Here's the headline:

The Fed is 'blowing a bubble' in stocks that usually 'ends in tears for investors' as market looks up to 10% overvalued, Wall Street firm says
Matthew Fox
Aug. 12, 2020, 09:48 AM
trader screen chart nyse
Reuters / Andrew Kelly

The lasting economic damage caused by the COVID-19 pandemic isn't being reflected in the stock market, according to a note published by Stifel.
Liquidity and low real yields have been the primary drivers of the S&P 500's more than 50% rally from the March 23 bottom, and the Fed is "once again blowing a bubble" that "usually ends in tears for investors," Stifel said.
The research firm said it believes the S&P 500 is currently 5% to 10% overvalued heading into the fall due to prolonged risks to jobs and growth, according to the note.
But if the equity risk premium continues to fall to 3% by the end of 2021, driven by falling interest rates, expect the S&P 500 to trade at 3,700, representing upside potential of 11% from Tuesday's close, said Stifel.

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horse

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Their market valuation is skyrocketing because people can see they are succeeding.

Apple's revenue is $59 billion a quarter.

China's biggest tech company, Tencent, makes $16 billion a quarter.

People need to let go of the idea that somehow acknowledging the reality of US strength in economics is "trolling" or "anti-China". It doesn't help a weak fighter to have him convinced he can beat a stronger fighter. If you are truly on the side of the weak fighter, you will want him to know he is weak. It's pro-China to advocate China acknowledges reality and makes policy accordingly.
1. China manufacturing base is basically double the size of America manufacturing base. That is real strength, not just one company. Not sure why you bring up Apple.

2. Apple would not be making all their sales if it did not manufacture inside China. Apple does not have much manufacturing left in the United States, if at all. That is why Trump got elected. Apple was succeeding, and not necessarily America, who many felt got left out of success stories like Apple.

3. Apple stock went up, but so did Chinese stocks.

4. Check out the GDP growth rates between the two countries.


People need to let go of the idea that somehow acknowledging the reality of US strength in economics is "trolling" or "anti-China".

The way I understand this place, it is full of Chinese people, who tend to be younger, and this is not a forum for white privilege.

White privilege is kind of like an arrogance that no one appropriates, and often just plain comical.

Why bring up Apple's stock price when we all know the game is rigged?
 

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While America's tech companies are soaring, Baidu is sinking. Stock down over 6% today as ad revenue DOWN by 8%.

Not only you lack knowledge of all things economics. You just copy and paste article without analysis. Then using examples of one company as a representative of the Chinese/USA economy. One period as opposed a longer term trend to arrive at a conclusion that USA is outperforming China! Gee. Your lack of critical thinking would even shame my year 1 A level students. If you were my student, you'll be asked to re-write your essay and rationale.

In addition, It seems you have reading and comprehension issues. Dont you read what people, that have taken time to respond to your previous posts, to take in what they have to say before posting more gabbage?
 
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manqiangrexue

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While America's tech companies are soaring, Baidu is sinking. Stock down over 6% today as ad revenue DOWN by 8%.
1. Why are you picking 1 company 1 quarter? In general, is Chinese tech growing or waning?

2. Why are you looking at stocks? The US Fed pumps trillions to inflate its stocks so that they mean nothing. They're like putting a brand new shiny suit on a man who's body is ravaged by disease and injury. Chinese stocks go up and down barely growing at all over the decades but its economy doubles and triples in size. American stocks go up 300% in the same time while its economy grows 25%. It's meaningless.

3. Money is a tool; it's a resource to improve research for higher tech. It is not the measure of final accomplishment. Between earning more money to channel into fat cats' pockets and investing the money back into improving tech, only the later has any consequence.
 
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Contradiction again...

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Of course the Trump administration was satisfied because it was all so Trump can declare a fake victory in the first place to the American people. It's as superficial as claiming that Trump took on China like no other President... and he failed to achieve any victories despite it. The people who hate the trophy culture want to give Trump a trophy for trying...
 

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Contradiction again...

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Of course the Trump administration was satisfied because it was all so Trump can declare a fake victory in the first place to the American people. It's as superficial as claiming that Trump took on China like no other President... and he failed to achieve any victories despite it. The people who hate the trophy culture want to give Trump a trophy for trying...
For the love of Christ, the sooner that this entire administration and the Democrats catch the virus and suffer from it, the better the world will be since this flip flopping is damaging the world by putting everyone in danger just because 'America first', I mean look at Canada, they bend over for the US on everything and then they pay the price with more infected people coming over the border. As if this pandemic isn't enough of a calamity where the innocent are already suffering, they are literally asking for yet another one with all the homeless and bankruptcies and even with all the money they print, they can't spare any for the citizens. IF the American have half the balls of the French, there would be a full scale revolution right now.
 

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While America's tech companies are soaring, Baidu is sinking. Stock down over 6% today as ad revenue DOWN by 8%.


Cherry picking. Tencent is up by 28%.

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Here's another. Guess who has a search engine that has picked up business.

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"While online games are the biggest revenue driver, NetEase's search engine Youdao showed the biggest growth with revenues up 140% to RMB 541.4 million ($76.5 million)."

Netease itself is up by 21%.
 
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Tam

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"In March, everything went down in the dash for liquidity, even Amazon. From the bottom of the market (on 23rd March) to 11th August, US technology stocks are up almost 60% and up c. 23% since the beginning of the year. In US dollar terms, Apple is up 50%, Microsoft is up 30%, Facebook is up 25% and Spotify is up 70%. It is truly astonishing.

The Nasdaq, crudely, is back to the giddy days of 2000, before the dotcom bust. The value of the ‘Fab Five’ – Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Facebook – is more than the stock markets of several western economies. Indeed, taken together, Microsoft and Apple are more valuable than the entire German stock market.*"

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US tech is skyrocketing. The idea that the pandemic has brought the US low and China can beat this and doesn't need to improve its relations with the US is dead wrong.


US tech does not represent the US economy by far. US tech is vastly overvalued because there is no other safe equity safe haven from stocks of other companies other than the four largest US tech companies. So people throw their money into the 'safe' havens. US treasuries are no longer a good investment either, and so is US real estate.

List of major and iconic US companies bankrupt

JC Penny
Briggs and Stratton
California Pizza Kitchenette
Neiman Marcus
Hertz
Brooks Brothers
J. Crew
Lord & Taylor

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US shale industry in an apocalypse

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emblem21

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Cherry picking. Tencent is up by 28%.

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And then you look at the amount of bankruptcies in the USA both big and small

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So either the USA pours money into these companies to keep them alive and not give enough money for the people to live on (to which they are going to riot so bad that HK will look like a decency memory) or give enough money for people to live on but allow these companies to die (to which they will be no more jobs and hence UBI is going to be necessary for the country to function. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place
 
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