All is not what it seems within China's High Speed Rail development.


latenlazy

Colonel
Germany and Japan had its share of train accidents,

thousands of aircraft is airborne at this very moment and carrying hundreds of thousands of people,.

with modern technology, airplane are near impossible to crash either but guess what airplane crash every year too.
Speaking of which, the US had an Amtrak accident just a few months ago
 

i.e.

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To be honest, the blame culture we have in China is very omnipresent, ...s that can cloud the situation a bit.
I agree to that.

often I see chiinese (also taiwan, HK, etc) students come to US for graduate school in field like education, they write these reports, they often tend to generalize some thing very quickily. In social situations too they often go for "characterization" really quickly.

remember "chinese way of thinking produced these geat metaphysical but "mushy" philosophies like Ying and Yang? but not newtonian physics?
 

Engineer

Major
Then you know nothing of the UK. The authorities would have asked people to await the result of an investigation, but the media would have been all over it and speculating as to the cause.
In other words, irresponsible reporting by media.

Reported directives from the Chinese "Ministry of Truth", via the
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, which hurts the credibility of said article. The overall anti-Chinese theme on that website doesn't improve this either. In UK, a similar organization is called BBC, but it's funny how you don't see Western media referring it to as British Propaganda Corporation.

Media these day capitalize on deaths for sales. The bigger the death toll, the better their stories sell, and some would even inflate the number. Letting the media does whatever it wants and one would eventually end up with a death toll greater than the capacity of the two trains combined.
 

nameless

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In other words, irresponsible reporting by media.


This is a case of
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, which hurts the credibility of said article. The overall anti-Chinese theme on that website doesn't improve this either. In UK, a similar organization is called BBC, but it's funny how you don't see Western media referring it to as British Propaganda Corporation.


Media these day capitalize on deaths for sales. The bigger the death toll, the better their stories sell, and some would even inflate the number. Letting the media does whatever it wants and one would eventually end up with a death toll greater than the capacity of the two trains combined.
Not to mention that CDT is sponsored by NED which also supports and sponsors Tibetan independence. It is pretty hypocritical and ironic in a way.
 
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latenlazy

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This is a case of
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, which hurts the credibility of said article. The overall anti-Chinese theme on that website doesn't improve this either. In UK, a similar organization is called BBC, but it's funny how you don't see Western media referring it to as British Propaganda Corporation.
Well, there is no such thing as unbiased media. All media sources need to be parsed and compared, but the point is to tease out the information from the sentiment. Personally I find the China Digital Times to be a great window into Chinese current events that would not be otherwise provided by state or foreign sources. Then again, as a student at UC Berkeley and someone who has met Xiao Qiang before I myself am probably biased...
 

latenlazy

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Not to mention that CDT is sponsored by NED which also supports and sponsors Tibetan independence. It is pretty hypocritical and ironic in a way.
Just because the NED supports and sponsors Tibetan Independence does not mean the groups it supports has to. Guilt by association is another logical fallacy.

My observation and understanding of CDT has been that it does not have a political agenda beyond aggregating and presenting Chinese news sources independent of the state media. The perceived bias of CDT is most probably a result of the structure of Chinese international media as a whole. If you're not the Mainland media, you tend to be critical of the Mainland, and as CDT is interested in presenting sources independent of the central government's...

EDIT: Sorry bd, maybe this discussion should be moved to a different thread.
 

nameless

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Just because the NED supports and sponsors Tibetan Independence does not mean the groups it supports has to. Guilt by association is another logical fallacy.

My observation and understanding of CDT has been that it does not have a political agenda beyond aggregating and presenting Chinese news sources independent of the state media. The perceived bias of CDT is most probably a result of the structure of Chinese international media as a whole. If you're not the Mainland media, you tend to be critical of the Mainland, and as CDT is interested in presenting sources independent of the central government's...

EDIT: Sorry bd, maybe this discussion should be moved to a different thread.
Why do you think they sponsors these groups? Do you really think NED gives money to objective non propaganda media? You says it as if NED has no political agenda and doesn't know what they are doing. There are tons of news sources independent of the Chinese media, some are just special I guess. Do you think honestly think the money behind western media do not set political agendas? And you are accusing people of being part of the Chinese media? Most of news and information I read comes from non Chinese sources.
 
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latenlazy

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Why do you think they sponsors these groups? Do you really think NED gives money to objective non propaganda media? There are tons of news sources independent of the Chinese media, some are just special I guess. And you are accusing people of being part of the Chinese media? Most of news and information I read comes from non Chinese sources.
I am not accusing anyone of anything. --; I am merely pointing out my understanding to how the CDT operates.

The NED sponsors these groups because they support the efforts and ideals of those groups. That does not mean those groups support or have an opinion on all of the NED's ideals. That also does not mean they sponsor these groups for the exact same reasons. The NED like any other organization has diverse views and interests, and not every group they support will reflect 100% of those views and interests. The NED supports the CDT for upholding the ideals of open and free media. That is not code word for some anti-China conspiracy or some anti-government agenda, and it is not an endorsement by the CDT of Tibetan Independence. That kind of logic is like saying China supports North Korea because it is heavily against South Korea and Japan. It's an absurd generalization of association.

And there is no such thing as objective media. All media is propaganda, just not all propaganda of the state. In the case of the CDT, due to the polarized Chinese media environment most non-state Chinese media sources end up being tilted against the Mainland to one extent or another. The CDT doesn't write articles, it presents them. It's not like the CDT doesn't present People's Daily or China Daily articles either. Those just don't draw the same attention.
 
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nameless

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I am not accusing anyone of anything. --; I am merely pointing out my understanding to how the CDT operates.
But that was your accusation on peoples perception of CDT.

The NED sponsors these groups because they support the efforts and ideals of those groups. That does not mean those groups support or have an opinion on all of the NED's ideals. That also does not mean they sponsor these groups for the exact same reasons. The NED like any other organization has diverse views and interests, and not every group they support will reflect 100% of those views and interests. The NED supports the CDT for upholding the ideals of open and free media. That is not code word for some anti-China conspiracy or some anti-government agenda, and it is not an endorsement by the CDT of Tibetan Independence. That kind of logic is like saying China supports North Korea because it is heavily against South Korea and Japan. It's an absurd generalization of association.
NED does not have diverse views or interest, the core interest is to further American interests. NED does not support CDT for "open and free media" but rather due to its anti PRC propaganda value. An anti American "open and free media" would not be supported by NED.

And there is no such thing as objective media. All media is propaganda, just not all propaganda of the state. In the case of the CDT, due to the polarized Chinese media environment most non-state Chinese media sources end up being tilted against the Mainland in one way or another. The CDT doesn't write articles, it presents them.
No, there are tons of non propaganda information in the media besides politics. What CDT presents is propaganda, if you care about the distinction so much, I can quote some random anti American on the internet and claim that it wast me that wrote it.
 
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