Alarming Trends in Chinese Society

I can say the same for people who generalize aren't the ones who should judge people are reading too much into things.

From what I read in other articles some mention these groups have members who are Hong Kong and Macau citizens. But according to this Hong Kong newspaper, their actions are of mainland Chinese. Sounds like manipulating it to blame China. As I've heard it from the anti-China factions in Hong Kong, everything bad is from the mainland. The people who attacked Michael Bay on the Transformers movie set in Hong Kong trying extort money is an old tradition in Hong Kong yet I again read people blaming it on the mainland. If this is a media manipulation, it's funny you don't see Hong Kong up at arms at this portrayal of hatred towards anyone from the mainland that Hong Kong people have.
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All I do is point the finger of hypocrisy right back.
Bravo you're always "pointing the finger of hypocrisy right back", but can you point the finger of hypocrisy at the following:


You said this:
I can say the same for people who generalize aren't the ones who should judge people are reading too much into things.

Then you generalized about HK in this post:

and of course the people in Hong Kong are trying make this a part of their crusade against Mainland Chinese
and this one against all religions:

as is the excuse of all religions where members of their own flock commit crimes.

Can you live up to the following statement made by this forum member:

I can say the same for people who generalize aren't the ones who should judge people are reading too much into things.



From what I read in other articles some mention these groups have members who are Hong Kong and Macau citizens. But according to this Hong Kong newspaper, their actions are of mainland Chinese. Sounds like manipulating it to blame China

Please. Nothing in that article is "blaming China" except what you make it to be. Rather, sometimes you manipulate these articles by magnifying something they've said, spin it to your bias, then accusing others of attacking China. Afterwards you bash them for doing what you just did...except they didn't actually aren't stating what you actually accuse those people of. When members say they don't feel that way, you quickly defend your actions as "pointing hypocrisy back". Why do you have so much hypocrisy to point back? Is there someone you should be actually pointing this hypocrisy back to?
 
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I can say the same for people who generalize aren't the ones who should judge people are reading too much into things.

From what I read in other articles some mention these groups have members who are Hong Kong and Macau citizens. But according to this Hong Kong newspaper, their actions are of mainland Chinese. Sounds like manipulating it to blame China. As I've heard it from the anti-China factions in Hong Kong, everything bad is from the mainland. The people who attacked Michael Bay on the Transformers movie set in Hong Kong trying extort money is an old tradition in Hong Kong yet I again read people blaming it on the mainland. If this is a media manipulation, it's funny you don't see Hong Kong up at arms at this portrayal of hatred towards anyone from the mainland that Hong Kong people have.

And when I see those people spew garbage out of their mouths, I don't even pay attention to them anymore. I am already sick of arguing with them. Personally it is certainly very disheartening to see hate increasing among many pockets of population in HK.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Please. Nothing in that article is "blaming China" except what you make it to be./QUOTE]

It does convey an image of anything coming out of from the mainland is bad. It even uses metaphors such as "The sect, which believes a mainland woman is the second coming of Jesus Christ and calls the Communist Party the “great red dragon”...to show an image of Red China rising and asserting it's rightful place in history to rule over HK or whatever place may be. It tugs into the readers heart of fear and awareness in which they've already been bombarded with.
 
It does convey an image of anything coming out of from the mainland is bad. It even uses metaphors such as "The sect, which believes a mainland woman is the second coming of Jesus Christ and calls the Communist Party the “great red dragon”...to show an image of Red China rising and asserting it's rightful place in history to rule over HK or whatever place may be. It tugs into the readers heart of fear and awareness in which they've already been bombarded with.

It doesn't make everything coming out mainland is bad, because we r just talking about a cult here.
From how I see it, the article is mostly focused on the cult, different points of view, and what the cult was doing. There are only 2 worthy "mentions" in this article, but they don't seem to present anything than background info.

And as of or your example, I will just think those cultists are nuts when someone calls for the second coming of Christ , which is already ridiculous enough. And even using that "red dragon example" to say this is China bashing is incredibly pushing it. Ask yourself, how is that even actually bashing China (like, to imply what?) or actually making a statement against China?

When you examine these articles, one must be careful. You also need to consider, if someone is trying to look for things like these in every article to in order to nitpick, there's also something wrong with the intentions of the reader.

Often groups like those special interest groups in HK, certain political affiliates in the US do exactly these kinda things, and they aren't always right with what they do. and when some people always try to advertise himself to be "pointing hypocrisy", he doesn't know he in fact could be consitantly wrong about others for multiple occasions. I know you're trying to see from his point of view, and there's nothing wrong with different interpretations by different people, however when someone begins to use this as regular basis to attack groups of people, that is just sinister veiled behind a reason. If you think about it, how often does he have anything good to say about any group other than China?

If people start reading everything as a bias , they will be unable to read or accept anything with an open mind. Many people often find excuses and reasons to resist accepting other people and ideas, and often they deploy the reasons of conspiracy theory.

And finally Equation, my existence in this forum isn't to win any arguments over any members, everyone here have something valuable to share, and most people here are brighter and more learned than I am. I have learned equally valuable things from both you and him as I had learned from others. And even when you and I have our areas of disagreement, we can still joke about other things after, and I appreciate that. I also appreciate you standing from alternative viewpoint. However the main point I want to get across isn't you and I see the article differently. The main thing is using these things to generalize and attack groups, which is totally unnecessary, unclassy, uncalled for.

Anyway I am done talking about this.
 
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Equation

Lieutenant General
It doesn't make everything coming out mainland is bad, because we r just talking about a cult here.
From how I see it, the article is mostly focused on the cult, different points of view, and what the cult was doing. There are only 2 worthy "mentions" in this article, but they don't seem to present anything than background info.

And as of or your example, I will just think those cultists are nuts when someone calls for the second coming of Christ , which is already ridiculous enough. And even using that "red dragon example" to say this is China bashing is incredibly pushing it. Ask yourself, how is that even actually bashing China (like, to imply what?) or actually making a statement against China?
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The use of the term "great red dragon" has no bases in the article but never the less they used it. Also the title of the article itself "Hong Kong Christians 'harassed' by mainland's Church of Almighty God", as if the cult was originated in the mainland.

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Mainland immigrants brought the church to Hong Kong about 10 years ago, and there has been a push costing millions of dollars to expand the church beyond its 2,000 followers here..." Another Red herring sentence. It may not be all over the article but there are hidden messages between the lines that gives a negative image of bad mainlanders.




When you examine these articles, one must be careful. You also need to consider, if someone is trying to look for things like these in every article to in order to nitpick, there's also something wrong with the intentions of the reader.

But isn't that what democracy suppose to be about? The readers has the right to "nitpick" anything on the article as they wish to get an understanding of the authors message and bigger picture. Not every word coming from the writer itself id pure golden therefore exempt from being further examine and question.

And finally Equation, my existence in this forum isn't to win any arguments over any members, everyone here have something valuable to share, and most people here are brighter and more learned than I am. I have learned equally valuable things from both you and him as I had learned from others. And even when you and I have our areas of disagreement, we can still joke about other things after, and I appreciate that. I also appreciate you standing from alternative viewpoint. However the main point I want to get across isn't you and I see the article differently. The main thing is using these things to generalize and attack groups, which is totally unnecessary, unclassy, uncalled for.

Anyway I am done talking about this.

You see the article differently, but yet you get mad at others for seeing it differently as well? So what if they "attack" the article? That's their business, not yours. You are attacking them for classify or identifying groups of people that they believe are consistent that fit the description of a cult, and you call that "generalization"? You are calling them out without evidence? Therefore guilty of the same crime as you describe them to be.
 
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The use of the term "great red dragon" has no bases in the article but never the less they used it. Also the title of the article itself "Hong Kong Christians 'harassed' by mainland's Church of Almighty God", as if the cult was originated in the mainland.



But isn't that what democracy suppose to be about? The readers has the right to "nitpick" anything on the article as they wish to get an understanding of the authors message and bigger picture. Not every word coming from the writer itself id pure golden therefore exempt from being further examine and question.



You see the article differently, but yet you get mad at others for seeing it differently as well? So what if they "attack" the article? That's their business, not yours. You are attacking them for classify or identifying groups of people that they believe are consistent that fit the description of a cult, and you call that "generalization"? You are calling them out without evidence? Therefore guilty of the same crime as you describe them to be.

You are attacking them for classify or identifying groups of people that they believe are consistent that fit the description of a cult, and you call that "generalization"? You are calling them out without evidence? Therefore guilty of the same crime as you describe them to be.
Not sure what you're saying, and I don't recall doing that.
My whole point, as reiterated, wasn't people interpreting different. My point has been against whole attacking and generalizing a whole group of people afterwards is.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Not sure what you're saying, and I don't recall doing that.
My whole point, as reiterated, wasn't people interpreting different. My point has been against whole attacking and generalizing a whole group of people afterwards is.

But isn't that fits the bill as interpreting? Besides, I thought you say you were done?
 

shen

Senior Member
all this millennial ideology and talk about "the red dragon" reminds me of 摩尼教. wouldn't be surprised if this cult has Manichaeist linage, which often take on a veneer of Buddhism or Christianity.

new religions or sects are by definition cults, and antisocial, which they need to differentiate themselves from established religions. many of the so called Chinese "house churches" have all kind of heterodox/heretical believes which can cause more social problems than main stream churches. there may be benefits for PRC authority to encourage missionaries from established churches to bring these "house churches" into the light.
 

solarz

Brigadier
all this millennial ideology and talk about "the red dragon" reminds me of 摩尼教. wouldn't be surprised if this cult has Manichaeist linage, which often take on a veneer of Buddhism or Christianity.

new religions or sects are by definition cults, and antisocial, which they need to differentiate themselves from established religions. many of the so called Chinese "house churches" have all kind of heterodox/heretical believes which can cause more social problems than main stream churches. there may be benefits for PRC authority to encourage missionaries from established churches to bring these "house churches" into the light.

Where's 张无忌 when you need him? :D
 
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