Alarming Trends in Chinese Society

solarz

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I've recently learned that in China, cops will not respond to domestic violence.

Seriously, no joke:

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And before anyone says that these are isolated incidents, they're not. I know about this personally from my extended family in China, and it's not a happy story.

Another big problem is health care, both violence against hospital staff, and corruption among the hospital staff. It's a self-sustaining vicious cycle really. We all know that sometimes, despite best efforts, people pass away. Unfortunately in China, healthcare workers (including doctors) do not receive adequate protection when tragedies happen. This is further exacerbated by the reputation of doctors taking bribes, something that is all too common. Doctors in China typically earn very low wages.

My brother-in-law was a resident physician, and he decided to quit in favor of selling insurance because he couldn't take the pressure anymore. He had worked 3 years at the hospital, and even did surgery, but he earned a mere 1000 RMB a month.

The saddest part of all this is that there seems to be no good way to extricate the Chinese society from these woes. The whole system is mired in feudal mindsets. :(:mad:
 
Like you said it is a problem with feudal mindsets. Change will only come in time with persistent efforts at educating people and instilling in them ideals and a better model of how people and society should behave. It also needs to be accompanied by working examples in real life of better behavior by all parties, this being communicated both through the grapevine and highlighted deliberately. That's how it happened everywhere else.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Like you said it is a problem with feudal mindsets. Change will only come in time with persistent efforts at educating people and instilling in them ideals and a better model of how people and society should behave. It also needs to be accompanied by working examples in real life of better behavior by all parties, this being communicated both through the grapevine and highlighted deliberately. That's how it happened everywhere else.

Ehh... what you describe is exactly what they did in the 80's. I know, I was there. The end result: all those ideals got thrown away when people started chasing after money. At the risk of sounding like a fenqing, the moral fabric of Chinese society was way better in the 80's than it is today.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
This isn't just with domestic violence. There are stories coming out of China where Western expats gather at nightclubs on certain streets that cater to them in Shanghai at night where they commit violence and vandalism on the neighborhood of local residents. The police do nothing there as well.
 
Ehh... what you describe is exactly what they did in the 80's. I know, I was there. The end result: all those ideals got thrown away when people started chasing after money. At the risk of sounding like a fenqing, the moral fabric of Chinese society was way better in the 80's than it is today.

I've heard of similar stories from my parents. Back in the days the mainland Chinese folks were better, but now my parents accused of the "rapid wealth" and the sudden opportunistic to wealth and such in China in the recent decade that paved a way for this dysfunct psychopathic culture of pursuing purely capital and material and barely any values on what used to matter anymore. And when I say culture, I'm referring to as culture of materialism, culture of capitalism, culture of intellectualism...which is basically "the culture behind a concept"

I remember 2 weeks ago or so I watched a video clip of a mainland Chinese commentator slamming mainland Chinese education system and parents of how they treat students and the over-emphasis on examinations, that education are becoming meaningless. The commentator said pretty much a student who failed to enter university(which already is very hard because of extreme competition and preferential bias to major city students) basically wind up useless or same as someone who only finished high school. Therefore, there were even extreme cases of students being withheld the truth of their parents having died while they're studying, for the sake of not distracting the student from preparing for the exam. So yea the situation is pitiful in terms of credentials but not understanding the purposes and meanings of things, and worse yet, the system being extremely skewed, unfair to people. All of this leads me to believe that fairness and more equal opportunities is what can promote a healthier system and way of doing things.

It's really sad that China is receiving the short end of the stick for many of the worst psychological phenomenon lately. Although it could just be me looking at purely the critical perspective, I also wonder if it's possible that China's rapid growth isn't compensated with the same pace of understanding some of these things or values, or could it be another factor at play that's influencing all these?
 
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Equation

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I've heard of similar stories from my parents. Back in the days the mainland Chinese folks were better, but now my parents accused of the "rapid wealth" and the sudden opportunistic to wealth and such in China in the recent decade that paved a way for this dysfunct psychopathic culture of pursuing purely capital and material and barely any values on what used to matter anymore. And when I say culture, I'm referring to as culture of materialism, culture of capitalism, culture of intellectualism...which is basically "the culture behind a concept"

I remember 2 weeks ago or so I watched a video clip of a mainland Chinese commentator slamming mainland Chinese education system and parents of how they treat students and the over-emphasis on examinations, that education are becoming meaningless. The commentator said pretty much a student who failed to enter university(which already is very hard because of extreme competition and preferential bias to major city students) basically wind up useless or same as someone who only finished high school. Therefore, there were even extreme cases of students being withheld the truth of their parents having died while they're studying, for the sake of not distracting the student from preparing for the exam. So yea the situation is pitiful in terms of credentials but not understanding the purposes and meanings of things, and worse yet, the system being extremely skewed, unfair to people. All of this leads me to believe that fairness and more equal opportunities is what can promote a healthier system and way of doing things.

It's really sad that China is receiving the short end of the stick for many of the worst psychological phenomenon lately. Although it could just be me looking at purely the critical perspective, I also wonder if it's possible that China's rapid growth isn't compensated with the same pace of understanding some of these things or values, or could it be another factor at play that's influencing all these?


Maybe these things happens many times before in the past, it's just that we're living in the information age where one story and incidents can get blown out of proportion. I always tell people today (the modern age) is better than the death by diarrhea age (Dark Ages depending on your countries time line) that's for sure.:p;)
 

AssassinsMace

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There was a case in the US where a teenager from a wealthy family killed several people while driving drunk. The kid was heartless about the entire situation. The defense argued the kid suffered from "affluenza" which meant he was spoiled growing up so he doesn't understand right and wrong so he shouldn't be punished for it. Yeah that's called a sociopath it were anyone else. So of course the family's influence apparently won them a lighter than normal sentence where the kid's father was able to find his son to a Club-Fed type of facility to which he paid the bill.

Then there a was a TV show I watched where they made fun of girls who were Justin Beiber fans. They asked them a series of questions over how do they feel about Justin Beiber over fictional facts presented as true. One was that Justin Beiber beat up his grandmother because she cheated on cards. The girls defended Bieber saying that the grandmother shouldn't have cheated on cards if she didn't want to get hurt.
 
There was a case in the US where a teenager from a wealthy family killed several people while driving drunk. The kid was heartless about the entire situation. The defense argued the kid suffered from "affluenza" which meant he was spoiled growing up so he doesn't understand right and wrong so he shouldn't be punished for it. Yeah that's called a sociopath it were anyone else. So of course the family's influence apparently won them a lighter than normal sentence where the kid's father was able to find his son to a Club-Fed type of facility to which he paid the bill.

Then there a was a TV show I watched where they made fun of girls who were Justin Beiber fans. They asked them a series of questions over how do they feel about Justin Beiber over fictional facts presented as true. One was that Justin Beiber beat up his grandmother because she cheated on cards. The girls defended Bieber saying that the grandmother shouldn't have cheated on cards if she didn't want to get hurt.

My short years on this planet had taught me humans are capable of great things, but our stupidity also see no ends. The very fact there can be AIDS denialists, environmental climate change denialists, or even people who actively pursue to get AIDS demonstrates just how stupid people can be, and worse. When bias comes along, those people will find all the ways they can to defend their preferences, even if they are presented with facts that effectively destroys their argument.

As for that court case you mentioned, I don't even know where to begin about that because I really don't know what to believe. On one hand there are also people who are genuinely trying to cheat the system, but on the other hand, if we the "be generous and understanding", "criteria of adequacy", knowledge path, etc..this is what comes out:

Psychopaths by DSM IV categorization characterizes the individual to lack/unable to feel empathy, remorse, guilt, or those critical components that makes a person human and with conscience(they did studies where the person's head was being monitored while they were shown images or words such as guilt, fear, empathy, etc. These individuals registered barely any brain activities in those areas associated for those things that a normal person would have). That being said, many psychopaths however, commonly shared a trait of having experienced rough childhood and barely any real love by families, which leads me to sometimes hypothesize that their traumatic childhood/upbringing could be what triggered their behaviors in the future. I remembered watching a documentary on youtube about psychopaths(me and my habits of going to the weird parts of youtube when i'm bored) and there's this psychopath who's classified as one of the most evil/dangerous one in captivity that they're interviewing. They had to be separated from him because he can kill anyone anytime without warning simply because "he enjoys/seeks a rush". Like others he also shared a very distressing childhood. Anyways while interviewing him they asked about his first murder, and he said one time passing by in the woods he saw an adult man performing oral sex on a young boy. In his words, he said "At that moment, I know he's going to die", and very quickly he killed the man. He said he got a surge/great sense of feeling from killing that man, and he enjoyed it so much that ever since then he started killing people to look for that good feeling again, which he "unfortunately" can never find anymore in his future victims. Towards the end of the show, they asked if he will feel remorse, and he said the day he will, he will go hang himself, which I genuinely believe he means it. At that moment, it struck me with the belief that despite all the horrific evil deeds and murders he had conducted, it's possible he was just unfortunately a very very confused man. I had a belief that his sense of rush of killing wasn't really from murdering, but actually from killing the pedophile, which probably gave him a sense of moral achievement or satisfaction, all due to his traumatic childhood and anger and vengeance against who had wronged him. This confusion led to the dictation of his behaviour. Anyways, psychopathy is listed as DSM IV, and why I shared this is because I believe humans aren't born evil, but rather how they are brought up and their experiences, combined with their attitudes, rationale, etc, all can have contributing factors to their behavior, personality traits, and attitudes. This is why studies demonstrated why cognitive dissonance, conformity, are such powerful psychological effects that even moral people can act evil/antisocial in the face of the influences of these.

However once again, how do we identify? And with the case for China, with the amount of sociopathic attitudes some people are having in order to earn money, what could be done?

Finally with a government and society where sometimes their focus are questionable, how/what changes can we realistically hope for or expect?
 

superdog

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I've recently learned that in China, cops will not respond to domestic violence.

Seriously, no joke:

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And before anyone says that these are isolated incidents, they're not. I know about this personally from my extended family in China, and it's not a happy story.

Another big problem is health care, both violence against hospital staff, and corruption among the hospital staff. It's a self-sustaining vicious cycle really. We all know that sometimes, despite best efforts, people pass away. Unfortunately in China, healthcare workers (including doctors) do not receive adequate protection when tragedies happen. This is further exacerbated by the reputation of doctors taking bribes, something that is all too common. Doctors in China typically earn very low wages.

My brother-in-law was a resident physician, and he decided to quit in favor of selling insurance because he couldn't take the pressure anymore. He had worked 3 years at the hospital, and even did surgery, but he earned a mere 1000 RMB a month.

The saddest part of all this is that there seems to be no good way to extricate the Chinese society from these woes. The whole system is mired in feudal mindsets. :(:mad:
You're right that police/legal intervention of domestic violence has been quite problematic in China, but no need to be too hopeless about change. Here are some recent updates FYI:
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Sorry for all the broken Chinese headings, don't have time to translate them all. Basically the supreme court is formulating regulatory documents to help courts more effectively handle DV cases. Also many local cities in China is establishing legal support systems and police hotlines specifically for DV situations.
 
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solarz

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Sorry for all the broken Chinese headings, don't have time to translate them all. Basically the supreme court is formulating regulatory documents to help courts more effectively handle DV cases. Also many local cities in China is establishing legal support systems and police hotlines specifically for DV situations.

Unfortunately, it's all "theoretical" for now. 99.9% of domestic violence never goes beyond that 110 call, nevermind going to court etc. What we really need is for Chinese police to be able and more importantly, willing, to take immediate action to protect people from domestic violence.
 
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