Aircraft Carriers III


bd popeye

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New Russian aircraft carrier? HA! I will believe it when I see it. The Russians have been claiming plans to build a CV force for years....So far not a single slab of steel has been cut. It's just hyperbole..

My take long ago on Russian CVs..this still stands today.

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Meanwhile the Russians nor China nor France can do this..no brag just facts!

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WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy conducted the first-ever, shipboard, full-speed catapult shots using the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) aboard the aircraft carrier Pre-Commissioning Unit (PCU) Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78), Naval Sea Systems Command announced May 15.

EMALS is a carrier-based launch system designed to expand the operational capability of the Navy's future carriers to include all current and future planned carrier aircraft. The recent test shots, known as "no-loads" because no aircraft or other loads were attached to the launching shuttle, successfully demonstrated the integrated catapult system. Using electromagnetic technology, the system delivers substantial improvements in system maintenance, increased reliability and efficiency, higher-launch energy capacity, and more accurate end-speed control, with a smooth acceleration at both high and low speeds. By allowing linear acceleration over time, electromagnetic catapults also place less stress on the aircraft.

"This is a very exciting time for the Navy," said Program Executive Officer for Aircraft Carriers Rear Adm. Tom Moore. "For the first time in over 60 years, we've just conducted 22 no load test shots using electricity instead of steam technology."

During the tests, generators within the ship produced an electric pulse, which was passed through power conditioning electronics to linear motors just below the flight deck surface. This energy allowed for the linear motors to propel the launching shuttle down the catapult track in excess of 180 knots before bringing the shuttle to a stop at the end of the track.

The next phase of EMALS testing, scheduled for this summer, will involve launching "dead-loads" off of the bow of CVN 78 into the James River. "Dead-loads" are large, wheeled, steel vessels weighing up to 80,000 pounds to simulate the weight of actual aircraft. The dead-loads will be launched from each catapult using a specific test sequence to verify that the catapult and its components are operating satisfactorily.

To date PCU Gerald R. Ford is 90 percent complete and 1550 Sailors have reported for introduction and training. CVN 78 will be commissioned in March 2016.
 

bd popeye

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I read the article about the proposed Russian CV..

The carrier's flight deck is of a dual design, features an angled flight deck, and four launching positions: two via ski-jump ramps and two via electromagnetic catapults. One set of arrestor gear is included in the design. The design also features two islands; a feature only previously seen on the latest UK design.
They've never operated a steam cat..now they claim to be planning a EMAL cat on this new ship? Plus how are they going to generate the power for that catapult because the article does say;

Currently it has been designed with a conventional power plant, although this could be replaced by a nuclear one, according to potential customers' requirements.
To operate an EMAL cat they better have a lot of power..that is reliable.
 

aksha

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i hope they see the sense in this, instead of going for a 65,000 tonne carrier wild goose chase,
perhaps with conventional cats (they could have tried to reverse engineer the old cats on the vikrant ,with improvements, off course, they had decades to do this if they had the foresight, they can still do it),( had a pic of it which i seem to have lost:()
what would the chinese have done???
i would prefer an indigenous (reverse engineered from the cats on the vikrant) steam cats (and safer too, in case they hit them with sanctions) any day as compared to EMALS form the americans (i still do not think they will give it)

and perhaps with an increase in displacement from 40000 to 50000 tonnes.

one has to learn crawl, and walk before they try to run

CSL offers to build another aircraft carrier
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Amidst report of the Defence Acquisition Council granting Rs.30 crore to the Indian Navy to start working on a second indigenous aircraft carrier, it has emerged that Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), which is constructing the first indigenous carrier INS Vikrant, has urged the Navy to place an order with it for a follow-on carrier of Vikrant-class.

Vikrant is set for undocking from CSL’s building bay later this month.

CSL assurance

The CSL is learnt to have assured the Navy in end-2014 that in case a follow-on order for a carrier is placed, it would be able to deliver the vessel in just four years from the time of delivery of INS Vikrant, scheduled to take place in 2018. The Navy has not responded to the proposal yet. “A follow-on carrier would be advantageous for the Navy, as there would be no time lost on detailed design, development of specialised material, technology, honing of skills of the workforce and so on. Since the Navy desires to operate two carrier task forces at any given time, it would be a good option to exercise,” said a CSL official.

“The carrier INS Viraat is retiring [next year] and the refurbished 45,000-tonne INS Vikramaditya [undergoing a short refit now] will be joined by the 40,000-tonne INS Vikrant a few years from now. Should there be a second Vikrant-class carrier with the same specifications and equipment, it could be operationalised in early or mid-2020s. It makes perfect sense as two carriers would always be operational even as the third remained under refit,” he added.

The lead time taken for the construction of INS Vikrant was in sync with the global average of nine years, said another official. “The follow-on vessels of a class always take much shorter periods to deliver,” he contended. However, a senior Navy officer told The Hindu that the force had firmed up the plans to have a super carrier displacing 65,000 tonnes after Vikrant. It would most likely be nuclear-propelled, with an electromagnetic aircraft launch system, widely referred to as EMALS catapult, and would embark a whole new fleet of naval fighters, he said. CSL’s proposed larger dry-dock capable of taking on ships of any size would be ready by the time the Navy floats the tender for a second carrier.
 
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thunderchief

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New Russian aircraft carrier? HA! I will believe it when I see it. The Russians have been claiming plans to build a CV force for years....So far not a single slab of steel has been cut. It's just hyperbole..

My take long ago on Russian CVs..this still stands today.

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These are old news (link below in Russian) , but official Russian position was that design phase of a new carrier would last until 2018. So don't expect any steel to be cut yet :D

IMHO, much would depend on fate of Kuznetsov . As it stands, that ship doesn't have much value in today's situation . Or in other words, it would need to be either modernized or scrapped . If they decide to scrap it , I would expect construction of new carrier to start somewhat earlier . If not, then it would have to wait at least until 2020 .

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FORBIN

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i hope they see the sense in this, instead of going for a 65,000 tonne carrier wild goose chase,
perhaps with conventional cats (they could have tried to reverse engineer the old cats on the vikrant ,with improvements, off course, they had decades to do this if they had the foresight, they can still do it),( had a pic of it which i seem to have lost:()
what would the chinese have done???
i would prefer an indigenous (reverse engineered from the cats on the vikrant) steam cats (and safer too, in case they hit them with sanctions) any day as compared to EMALS form the americans (i still do not think they will give it)
Agree steam cat suffficient, EMALS very expensive US military* since some decades want hight tech weapons and this greatly increases the costs... and because it now her number decreases...
*USAF especialy also USN no Army and USMC.
But a 65000 t more large can get a more big CAW now with EMALS etc... if it double her price, 2 CV less sophisticated, really better.
 
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Scratch

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Just a quick question here.
What is normally the rank of the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier in the different navies? Also, is he/she automaticly in charge of the complete strike groupe, or is there a more senior officer?
Finally, are the detials of the air missions (except those for carrier defense) routed through, and managed by, the carrier captain, or do they go directly to the air-wing boss from higher echolons?
 

bd popeye

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Just a quick question here.
What is normally the rank of the commanding officer of an aircraft carrier in the different navies? Also, is he/she automaticly in charge of the complete strike groupe, or is there a more senior officer?

Finally, are the details of the air missions (except those for carrier defense) routed through, and managed by, the carrier captain, or do they go directly to the air-wing boss from higher echolons?
With the US Navy commanding officers of carriers are always captians.

So far as the missions flown..those orders come for a higher echelon as you stated. Of course the CO gets to see them and perhaps have some inputs. the CO's job is to carry out orders of persons above him and make sure the ship is operational so the ship may carry out those missions..
 

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