Aircraft Carriers III

cockneyjock1974

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if I were you, I would be concerned about when she gets fixed-wing aircraft and what those fixed-wing aircraft will use against ships, as the RN can't even afford the Harpoons for escort ships effective next year Nov 11, 2016

Next year is fixed wing sea trials. We're sailing to the US to pick our jets up. The USMC are coming along for the ride too. With regards to Harpoon ours are obsolete and subject to decoy intervention according to online sources. We do things differently in the RN our Wildcats will soon be sporting a heavy ASM which will render most vessels defunct. We feel a helicopters range combining missile range is safer for the fleet en general. I'm not worried!!
 
Next year is fixed wing sea trials. We're sailing to the US to pick our jets up. The USMC are coming along for the ride too. With regards to Harpoon ours are obsolete and subject to decoy intervention according to online sources. We do things differently in the RN our Wildcats will soon be sporting a heavy ASM which will render most vessels defunct. We feel a helicopters range combining missile range is safer for the fleet en general. I'm not worried!!
you've made several interesting points related to definitions of "soon" and "heavy":
Jul 4, 2017

Warhead 30 kg (66 lb)
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it's like a 6" shell ...
Successful First Launch of the French-British ANL Missile
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anyway, in your opinion, is an over-the-horizon AShM needed for the RN?

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one more question, related to:
... With regards to Harpoon ours are obsolete and subject to decoy intervention according to online sources. ...
so, according to you, will dozens of Navies operating the Harpoons be in danger? (I guess you exclude the possibility the RN is broke, right?)
 
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No I said according to online sources, are all Czech people so direct?
LOL it's a naval debate in progress man
I'm all ears to hear about new concepts

in the meantime I googled your
It's called FASGW(H) "H" stands for heavy. ...
and my #1 hit
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says "The missile is expected to enter into service in 2015."

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Jeff Head

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Next year is fixed wing sea trials. We're sailing to the US to pick our jets up. The USMC are coming along for the ride too. With regards to Harpoon ours are obsolete and subject to decoy intervention according to online sources. We do things differently in the RN our Wildcats will soon be sporting a heavy ASM which will render most vessels defunct. We feel a helicopters range combining missile range is safer for the fleet en general. I'm not worried!!
The Harpoons that the RN has are still effective missiles...but they are not the latest greatest.

A good, long range OTH Missile is critical for modern warfare at sea, and though a helicopter does allow for getting the missile out there and away from the ship...it is only as good as the sensors that guide it if it is a guided munition, or the intel you have on the opfor location if it is inertia guided and then self guiding on terminal.

To do that best, you need a fixed wing aircraft, particularly one like the F-35.

The USMC are going to help our Brit cousins out, and I am glad to see it.

Personally, I still wish the RN had equipped both carriers with Traps AND CATS so they could have the Charlie version of the F-35 and also the E-2D AEW.

The new helo is going to be nice...but still will have shorter legs and altitude, thereby decreasing its overall coverage.

For such a capitol vessel as the QEs, that extra range on the AEW sensors could be absolutely critical.
 
Tuesday at 8:46 PM
a question:

how does the USN pay now for example for installing the AAG on the CVN-78 Yesterday at 4:24 PM
("The Advanced Arresting Gear is still in the final stages of installation, the sailors said ...")

in the situation when there's no funding of the CVN-78 in FY2017:
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(the table comes from
Navy Ford (CVN-78) Class Aircraft Carrier
Program: Background and Issues for Congress
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document)

I mean are there some separate programs for the AAG, EMALS, DBR, AWEs ... to make them actually work on board?
ignored, so I try once more:
"are there some separate programs for the AAG, EMALS, DBR, AWEs ... to make them actually work on board?"
EMALS Catapult Fixed But Won’t Reach Ford Until 2019
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A new electromagnetic launch system for aircraft carriers that has faltered when attempting to launch heavier planes is now sound thanks to a software fix,
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officials announced this week. However, it won’t reach the Navy’s new carrier for more than a year.

The Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System, or EMALS, is one of several brand-new technologies installed aboard the first-of-class supercarrier Gerald R. Ford, which was commissioned July 22.

The system has drawn the ire of President Donald Trump, who said in a memorable May 11 interview with Time Magazine that he wanted the Navy to return to “goddamned steam” for its carrier catapults, as the new “digital” technology was unreliable and inexpensive.

Navy officials have said plans to install EMALS on the two other carriers in the Ford class are proceeding regardless.

The problems with EMALS came to light in spring 2014, when testers found the launch system exceeded operational limits when accommodating aircraft with wing-mounted external fuel tanks, causing “excessive vibrations” of the tank.

This significantly limited the air missions the carrier could accommodate. Fighters including the
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, which will launch from the Ford, frequently depart the ship with additional fuel stores.

But now the Navy says they have found a fix that will eliminate those limitations. Testing completed at
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in New Jersey earlier this summer validated the software fix, according to a news release from Naval Air Combat Command.

In all, 71 EMALS launches were completed by a designated EMALS test team and Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23, according to the release. They confirmed that both the Super Hornet and the Growler could launch with wing-mounted 480-gallon external fuel tanks without exceeding the aircraft’s stress limits, officials said.

“We were confident since the day that the issue was uncovered that it was solvable,” George Sulich, EMALS integrated program team lead, said in a statement. “The beauty of the system is that issues such as these can be accomplished with software updates instead of major hardware changes to machinery.”

Development of a software fix that fine-tuned the EMALS control algorithm was completed in 2015 and loaded into the system this April to test compatibility with other software loads.

Officials said the final test of the fix, complete with aircraft launched, was delayed a year because there were other systems that needed to be evaluated, but that all testing for the EMALS fix has now been completed.

However, the Ford won’t get the latest software improvements until 2019, according to officials. The software that will enable shipboard launches of Super Hornets with external fuel tanks will be installed following the ship’s post-shakedown availability, a maintenance period that follows a new ship’s first cruise.

“Test is a time for discovery and while schedules often shift, the EMALS team has done excellent work to further improve the system’s controls software, eliminating concerns about undue stress to the aircraft, regardless of external fuel tank configuration, during launch,” Aircraft Launch and Recovery Equipment Program Manager Capt. Stephen Tedford said in a statement.

“This small test victory gets us that much closer to launching an aircraft with a new technology aboard America’s newest aircraft carrier,” he added.
 

cockneyjock1974

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The Harpoons that the RN has are still effective missiles...but they are not the latest greatest.

A good, long range OTH Missile is critical for modern warfare at sea, and though a helicopter does allow for getting the missile out there and away from the ship...it is only as good as the sensors that guide it if it is a guided munition, or the intel you have on the opfor location if it is inertia guided and then self guiding on terminal.

To do that best, you need a fixed wing aircraft, particularly one like the F-35.

The USMC are going to help our Brit cousins out, and I am glad to see it.

Personally, I still wish the RN had equipped both carriers with Traps AND CATS so they could have the Charlie version of the F-35 and also the E-2D AEW.

The new helo is going to be nice...but still will have shorter legs and altitude, thereby decreasing its overall coverage.

For such a capitol vessel as the QEs, that extra range on the AEW sensors could be absolutely critical.

Unfortunately Jeff it's come to light that the QE class are unable to be converted and that's from the engineering design guys. One has said you would need to cut off the entire top half and start again. It's a bit of a cop out as it was sold to the public as being convertible but as it's not we are stuck with stovl.
I agree entirely that the class should have been CATOBAR from the start, I would have quite happily took FA18's over the F35 to pay for the costs. However It's all history now and Dave B (F35B) with SRVL capabilities is going to be a good compromise. POW could have been converted but it would have cost 2 billion pounds and only left us with one carrier. A new build is only 3.2 billion. If it was me I'd sell QE to Brazil instead of HMS Ocean and build a new CATOBAR carrier and yes I would call her Ark Royal....... dreams eh?
 

FORBIN

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The Harpoons that the RN has are still effective missiles...but they are not the latest greatest.

A good, long range OTH Missile is critical for modern warfare at sea, and though a helicopter does allow for getting the missile out there and away from the ship...it is only as good as the sensors that guide it if it is a guided munition, or the intel you have on the opfor location if it is inertia guided and then self guiding on terminal.

To do that best, you need a fixed wing aircraft, particularly one like the F-35.

The USMC are going to help our Brit cousins out, and I am glad to see it.

Personally, I still wish the RN had equipped both carriers with Traps AND CATS so they could have the Charlie version of the F-35 and also the E-2D AEW.

The new helo is going to be nice...but still will have shorter legs and altitude, thereby decreasing its overall coverage.

For such a capitol vessel as the QEs, that extra range on the AEW sensors could be absolutely critical.
I find it

The E-2D Hawkeye vs Merlin Crowsnest:
Detection Range: ~297 vs ~150nmi.
Endurance: 6 vs 5hrs.
Radius: 780 vs 450nmi.
Cost: $190m vs $52m
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I have for Sea King Asac7 150 km/5 m2 with Searchwater 2000
in nmi do 80 so clear increase ( remains ofc far of E-2D radar which have a range double ! ) for Crowsnest radar

" Crowsnest is a modified version of the Searchwater radar and Cerebus control system that is fitted to the UK’s
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