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In terms of the ship design itself, the 26DDH will be 3,000 tons smaller than the preceding Kaga-class, but they will have a larger air-wing. This will be accomplished by eliminating provisions for troop transport, or other cargo transport beyond what is required for the stated missions of the ship.
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Well , I told you that those troop facilities take up space ;) .

Nevertheless , this is very interesting development , unlike 22DDH 26DDH looks like true aircraft carrier and I don't think China would allow that . My prediction - if Japans starts construction of these ships China would attempt to trigger sell-off of Japanese bonds or something similar . We shall see ...
 
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Well , I told you that those troop facilities take up space ;) .

Nevertheless , this is very interesting development , unlike 22DDH 26DDH looks like true aircraft carrier and I don't think China would allow that . My prediction - if Japans starts construction of these ships China would attempt to trigger sell-off of Japanese bonds or something similar . We shall see ...
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Well, you will note that these vessels would be 3,000 tons less than the Kaga (22DDH) vessels, and yet will hold more aircraft. The displacement was not the issue in whether it could hold the aircraft or not...it is just allowing them to open up more space for them. I honestly think that this vessel is going to be very close to what a Kaga (22DDH) vessel is, but with an extended flight deck, and probably a longer hanger too.

Also with somewhat more defensive weaponry.

Finally, with only a 12 F-35B capability, I believe it is clear that this vessel's role is not an offensive one. It seems like they are designing it so they can use it to defend their ASW Tasf Force carriers when they are out to sea...so they will be able to keep it within their Self-Defense constituional limits with such a strategy.

As to how China will respond, I seriously doubt that they will start a full fledged economic/trade war over such an occurrance. These carriers simply do not have enough power projection to warrant it. Since they intend one for each of their destroyer flotillas, it further underscores their intended use to defend their principal ASW vessels.

In other words, they will probably use these to escort a Hyuga or a Kaga class DDH which are loaded with ASW helicopters to perform ASW screening for allied task forces so that when far out to sea, away from the Japanes Self Defence Air Force coverage, they can still protect those ASW task forces from arial attack.

Anyhow, right now it is a proposal for planning purposes and will not become reality in the least until funding is actually reserved for it.
 
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Finally, with only a 12 F-35B capability, I believe it is clear that this vessel's role is not an offensive one. It seems like they are designing it so they can use it to defend their ASW Tasf Force carriers when they are out to sea...so they will be able to keep it within their Self-Defense constituional limits with such a strategy.

As to how China will respond, I seriously doubt that they will start a full fledged economic/trade war over such an occurrance. These carriers simply do not have enough power projection to warrant it. Since they intend one for each of their destroyer flotillas, it further underscores their intended use to defend their principal ASW vessels.
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Well , I somehow doubt China would regard this so benevolently ;) . For reasons historical and strategical China will oppose strong blue-water Japanese navy . Bear in mind , 12 fifth gen fighters are 12 fifth gen fighters , multiplied by four flotillas it is powerful force . They could give upper hand to Japanese in hypothetical conflict at open sea , especially because China still doesn't have project for its own naval 5th gen fighter ,and F-35B is few years away from service .

For years , PLAN has been effectively bottled-up inside first island chain . Now , when they are finally emerging as new marine power they simply cannot afford to let Japanese Navy put them back again . So , I believe they would use every available means to thwart this , including economic war . Of course , this is just my prediction , we shall see what will actually transpire in next few years .
 
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Of course , this is just my prediction , we shall see what will actually transpire in next few years .
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Yes, we shall see, and it will be some time before it materializes, though we will know in 2-3 years if the Japanese plan to fund these.

If you see a 26DDH line item on the 2015 or 2016 JMSDF funding report, then they are coming.

Until that happens...it is just a proposal from their Technical Research Institute in the Ministry of Defense.
 
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You remember this missile that's being fired from the Vikramaditya. Well its a countermeasure fired from a PK-2 ZiF-21 launcher.

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Here is a photo of the front PK-2 ZiF-21 launcher on the Vikramaditya. Right on the flight deck!
 
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You remember this missile that's being fired from the Vikramaditya. Well its a countermeasure fired from a PK-2 ZiF-21 launcher.

ZiF-121-Barrel-PK-2-Counter-Measure-System-INS-Vikramaditya.JPG


Here is a photo of the front PK-2 ZiF-21 launcher on the Vikramaditya. Right on the flight deck!
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So it's 2-3 years before the Vikramy gets a full defensive out fit? Which means it will have to rely on its escorts for its defence, a important information for planners
 
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India set to officially launch its first indigenous carrier, INS Vikrant, August 12, 2013.

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NDTV said:
New Delhi: India will launch its first indigenous aircraft carrier, INS Vikrant, on August 12 from the Kochi shipyard. This will make India only the fifth country after the US, Russia, Britain and France to have the capability to build such vessels.

"About 83 per cent of the fabrication work and 75 per cent of the construction work will be over when the ship goes into water," said Indian Navy's vice chief, Admiral Robin Dhowan.

Admiral Dhowan also said that the 40,000 tonne indigenous aircraft carrier is one of its most prestigious warship projects and unprecedented in terms of size and complexity. It has been designed by Indian Navy's design organization.

INS Vikrant will have two take-off runways and a landing strip with three arrester wires capable of operating a STOBAR (Short Take Off But Arrested Recovery). The main stay fighters positioned on board would be Russian made MiG -29K fighter jets. The naval variant of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) produced by India is also scheduled to be positioned on the warship. However, it would depend on how quickly and effectively Navy variant of the LCA is produced and cleared for active duty.

"It will be equipped with a long range surface-to-air missiles system with multi-function radar and close-in weapons system (CIWS)," Admiral Dhowan said.

Apart from joining a select group of nations that build aircraft carriers, the major achievement for India has been the ability to fabricate weapons grade steel. "After our initial difficulty in procuring weapons grade steel, our own laboratories were able to crack the code. Steel Authority of India is now producing the requisite quality of steel" Admiral Dhowan said.

The ability to produce weapons grade steel is a big plus since majority of Indian warships will now be produced in India.
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This is one of my favorite pics when it comes to Naval Power and the US Navy.

Not one of these 40,000 ton+ vessels is considered an "Aircraft Carrier" in the United States Navy, yet in a Sea Control Carrier mode, each one of them could carry 24 VSTOL aircraft for carrier operations.


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In addition to the 11 nuclear aircraft carriers, the US Navy currently has 10 of these vessels. And with 22 Ticonderoga Class AEGIS cruisers, 62 Arleigh Burke Class AEGIS destroyers, and 40 Los Angeles Class and 10 Virginia Class SSNs, the US Navy has plenty of vessels to escort them.
 
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