2026 Israel - Iranian conflict [TEMP LOCKED]

Will Iran-Israel conflict start again?


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Gloire_bb

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Not giving the Americans a political middle finger by procuring the S-400 instead of PAC-3 MSE would also have been a good decision in hindsight, don't you think? :D
Hindsight right now is simple (as we indeed look back from two major Israeli wars and collapsed proxy zone); Iran already is ample source of experience to draw from.

We may take any country(not Turkiye specifically; Egypt, Pakistan also in the same danger zone, as are gulf nations) and apply absolutely same Israeli pattern, starting with beheading blue sparrows, or indeed use of proxies/refugees/special forces with "spider web++" as it was in June.
Especially since altitude of a key ally(US) to clandestine activity within Turkish borders is well proven by 2016.

Against that, we can take any effective retaliation, and how it will reach Israel. (factual state of TAF, including now unknown status of gulf Typhoons; development of ballistic missile program).

S400s were ultimately an excuse; they're also definitely vulnerable, as are any single digit assets - they aren't death stars (though TAF now has capability to cover them, unlike Iran). They're also still the only hidden (literally now) card that can be played to survive until IADS and Sipers fully establish themselves, and air force will manage to reach credible defensive capability v Hel Haavir.

Assuming understanding that there's huge lag in military industrial policy, decision to prepare against unfaithful allies was taken in Istanbul exactly around ~2016, and now it indeed it starts bearing fruits. But it's early in the process, and it will probably take a ~decade to prepare against current Israel.
Note that Iran had decades to prepare, and could name it's enemies full well; that's a huge headstart v Turkiye. And it was still largely outplayed in a direct arms race. So is Egypt, which de facto knows whom it builds against, but runs into enough walls, distractions and economic hurdles that it struggles to keep up.
Plus geography - Hormuz and remoteness from Israel are just better cards v Israel than being European bridge and straits(Turkish case), or already choked channel within few days of mechanized maneuver (Egypt).
 

_killuminati_

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Arent these wedgetails already being used? Did US -israel start this attack without these?
Word has it that the F-35's sensor-fusion network failed. A group of F-35's in the air were supposed to do this task, kind of like how the Syrian Air Force in mid-2000's wanted to fly half a dozen Mig-31E's for AWACS coverage with their Zaslon radars.

Without boasting too much i have to say that by the time i went to school my excuses to my mom were more elaborate.
I wonder if it qualifies me for lifelong senate position?
You must do one more thing to qualify,
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There is an unwritten, unspoken racial hierarchy in the liberal rules based world order that determines which lives are considered more or less valuable.
Hierarchy is Anglo-Saxon on top, followed by other Germanics. Everybody else is 2nd, 3rd class, trying to appease the Anglo-Saxon to raise them in rank, namely the French, Spanish and Italians. Below them are the global plebs like Japanese, S.Koreans, etc seeking a raise in rank, and nowadays, a new contender has entered the competition at the bottom of the barrel - the Indians.

Geostrategic partners have already secured supplies from KSA thru Red Sea route. E.g. Pakistan.

In Global South, Africa can get via Red Sea route too. That leaves SE Asia and India. Doing think Global South will be mad if vassals of the intake cry a bit.
Afaik, Saudis western oil terminals (on the Red Sea coast) cannot handle much oil for export. Something like less than 20% of their total output.
 

AlexYe

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They always target banks, iDf specifically posted that they will target banks in Lebanon too.

The task of persuading Israel naturally falls to the United States
Ofcourse and US politicians , both dems-gop which are majority zionists, and have both MiC and other wealth links with israel. So they wont do it, even if its a popular sentiment within the public.
This doesnt take into account all european countries that have similar ties, and use Israel to destablise and equip various African groups and then 'loot' them indirectly.
There is no reason with the wealth in the middle east they cant rise up to challenge the status of europe, with both oil , resources, and trade.
And thats the problem,
Just look at the daily deluge they come up and throw at just a mayor of new york because he is on right side of history,
Furthermore, demanding Israel demilitarize could garner support from most Palestinian sympathizers,
Yeah majority public has these sympathies but there is no left-progressive movement in US to make this happen, we see when these people do run they do win but they arent enough of them to make policy change.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Well, from experience of first two weeks, i guess we can do our vlog&first impressions on Iranian ADF.

In both Lion and especially the war of Epstein league, success story seem to be Majid/Ghaem/358(9) series, i.e. low end systems for both IRGC and ADF. They're some of the easiest to disperse, and also some of the newest. Curiously, unlike Yemen (where 358 was the absolute star), in this war Majid/Ghaem are far more prominent(though 358 still scores, and, as usual, managed kills even beyond Iran proper).
Apparently, lessons were learned, and US/IS managed to find operational limitations of 358(9) systems(first time they were effectively countered was in Lebanon, but it was Israel directly intercepting them - which is very rich way of doing things, and isn't applicable overn Iran).
This is by far the most succesful group, and assuming current attrition tempo continues are the best bet for Iranians to achieve something via ADF directly: attrition rate for MALEs is high, and given their non-infinite numbers, persistent armed overwatch will break at some point, and it won't be long. MALEs indeed have proven (yet another time) indespensible, suprisingly survivable, but still - an easiest breaking point.
On the other side - if you're looking at positive Iranian experience to study - go no further than these systems.

Navy systems in current context are irrelevant, though frankly it appears most large ships from both IRGC and IRN were just abandoned and are getting dutifully picked off by drones without much resistence. Nt too surprising, though as a result they're getting picked by systems that they could've attrited. Can't blame them though, when clinging to life rafts in burning water is a predetermined result, trading dozens of lives for several drones isn't exactly attractive.

Large SAMs struggle to survive, but far more crucially for Iran - they struggle to fight back, for a 4th time at this point(Lebanon, Yemen, 2 Iranian campaigns). We have no way of knowing what's going in RF spectrum, but from available footage - Iranian FLIRs appear to be awfully inadequate in IRCCM department - FLIR(not seeker!) readily switches tracking at a first flare drop. This makes ambush hits with available smokey missiles improbable, unless aircraft crew is asleep. 1970s problems.
This doesn't mean they don't have impact - it did take time to establish air superiority over Iran, and it still isn't complete; these systems are dangerous enough to consider them. But honestly speaking, this is a low bar, and almost a dozen known systems or variants hasn't achieved much over what upgraded MIM-23 Hawks with some modern circuitry could.
Bright side for Iran - it appears they still have some at stick, likely hiding in underground fortresses. Assuming drone overwatch will collapse at some point, Iran still may have a shot at restoring some level of operational deterrence. Maybe.

But overall, if your systems aren't up to standard and you know it - i don't know, consider investing more into believable decoys rather than in complete systems. Cheaper, saves resources for where it works.

Main falls of Iranian ADF system are however lying elsewhere: it's ABM and C-PGM.
There are signs of counter-PGM engagements, but their role in reducing delivered weight doesn't appear to be substantial. No ABM engagements were seen at all. Iran tried to develop both capabilities very late on(in 2020s), trying to integrate its ADF assets (from both arms) and achieve some actual protection, but all 3 appear to be horribly delayed, and as such - ineffective individually and when put together.

ABM IAD network is existential against Israel, so is CIWS/C-UAS. Of first, Iran appears to only really have had S-300PMU2s, which were put out of action back in 2024. Of second, Zoubin was only starting getting deployed in 2025 - and few available vehicles were most probably lost or are hiding; the only other system which can do CIWS work - few IRGC Tors and their local derivatives - could do so only if warned in time(and ideally cued, as vanilla Tor search radar is very outdated), which wasn't the case.
IRGC attempts to adapt existing large SAMs to counter-PGM role(25h Khordad) appear to do little; as usual, hard to tell why, but given how Iranian systems tend to get caught - most likely culprit is lack of battlespace awareness.

And of course, underlying lesson for all of it:
Working air force matters. At least something.
 
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