2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

2handedswordsman

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They didn't sacrifice anything. Israel attacked and killed them in a bitchy way we must point. Man it's an ongoing war in the middle east for decades. Mad Max is happening in the middle east before the original movie was shot. You should have observed that there are obvious sides, etc.
 
AlexYe

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tamsen_ikard said:
I don't think Iran can play along that everything is destroyed and do a deal with Trump and then restart enrichment in secret.

First of all, there is enough spies/sat intel to find out any restart in enrichment.

Then US will most certainly say Iran is violating deals.

The best option is to act tough, get out of IAEA. Then openly say they are doing enrichment. They are already sanctioned, they have already been attacked. So what else is there.
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Trump already said that If Iran start up/repairs facilities they will just bomb it again, US wont commit troops because thats suicide but they can keep bombing. Getting out of the iAEA/npt gives them plausible deniability that US cant sell to its public/europe.
Iran cant solely rely on just ballistic missiles forever if USAF gets involved in the future, they will have more than enough coverage to target missile bases/launchers.
Yes act tough They should because All 3 major objectives of israel/us failed, no regime change, no nuclear facility destruction, no missile production stop, Us/Israel knows this privately, the bully just got punched back.

But The reason i say just to play along get sanctions removed is because Iranian leaders didnt have the will to make nukes, they had all the time in the world to do it, The reformists were elected with the implicit mandate to normalise relations with the west
If after all this they finally have the political will and means to do it, then they should immediately,
But if Ayatollah and civilian leadership still wants to play nice then all the enrichment stuff is pointless,


PLAwatcher12 said:
Ok, thank you. Can you link those by any chance?
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Couldnt find the ones I saw but did find others quickly
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/1lfiwtn Reddit post has links to NBC live chat thing, they picked it up from hebrew channel.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938631668900024664
Couldnt find the one with subtitles but its this video about hetz (Arrow missiles)
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1936517028975686087
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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AlexYe said:
Trump already said that If Iran start up/repairs facilities they will just bomb it again, US wont commit troops because thats suicide but they can keep bombing. Getting out of the iAEA/npt gives them plausible deniability that US cant sell to its public/europe.
Iran cant solely rely on just ballistic missiles forever if USAF gets involved in the future, they will have more than enough coverage to target missile bases/launchers.
Yes act tough They should because All 3 major objectives of israel/us failed, no regime change, no nuclear facility destruction, no missile production stop, Us/Israel knows this privately, the bully just got punched back.

But The reason i say just to play along get sanctions removed is because Iranian leaders didnt have the will to make nukes, they had all the time in the world to do it, The reformists were elected with the implicit mandate to normalise relations with the west
If after all this they finally have the political will and means to do it, then they should immediately,
But if Ayatollah and civilian leadership still wants to play nice then all the enrichment stuff is pointless,



Couldnt find the ones I saw but did find others quickly
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/1lfiwtn Reddit post has links to NBC live chat thing, they picked it up from hebrew channel.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938631668900024664
Couldnt find the one with subtitles but its this video about hetz (Arrow missiles)
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1936517028975686087
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Why IDF choose NOT to intercept missiles targetted at airbases?
 
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PLAwatcher12

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AlexYe said:
Trump already said that If Iran start up/repairs facilities they will just bomb it again, US wont commit troops because thats suicide but they can keep bombing. Getting out of the iAEA/npt gives them plausible deniability that US cant sell to its public/europe.
Iran cant solely rely on just ballistic missiles forever if USAF gets involved in the future, they will have more than enough coverage to target missile bases/launchers.
Yes act tough They should because All 3 major objectives of israel/us failed, no regime change, no nuclear facility destruction, no missile production stop, Us/Israel knows this privately, the bully just got punched back.

But The reason i say just to play along get sanctions removed is because Iranian leaders didnt have the will to make nukes, they had all the time in the world to do it, The reformists were elected with the implicit mandate to normalise relations with the west
If after all this they finally have the political will and means to do it, then they should immediately,
But if Ayatollah and civilian leadership still wants to play nice then all the enrichment stuff is pointless,



Couldnt find the ones I saw but did find others quickly
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/1lfiwtn Reddit post has links to NBC live chat thing, they picked it up from hebrew channel.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1938631668900024664
Couldnt find the one with subtitles but its this video about hetz (Arrow missiles)
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1936517028975686087
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From what I read it said 86% interception rate so 36 missiles hit what is in line what I read in critical areas but atleast 50 in total hit. But it’s likely more due to fog of war.
 
manqiangrexue

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Maikeru said:
2. Mossad managed to infiltrate Iran pretty thoroughly; and
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As much as we like to talk up the Mossad and how effective they were in the opening night for the Pearl Harbor that Israel committed against Iran, we must not forget one thing: Mossad failed its main objective. They were so blood-thirsty to assassinate people and set traps to sabotage equipment, they forgot to collect information and accurately inform the Israeli cabinet of Iran's war-fighting capabilities. The decision makers are completely dependent on this information to determine whether or not Israel can start and win a war with Iran, but they were given inaccurate and/or incomplete details and that led Israel to get hammered by Iranian missiles night and day with politicians begrudgingly admitting to the (deservedly) poor people that they did not know Iranian missiles were so deadly and capable. Just this failure means that the Mossad failed more than they succeeded because they caused Israel to start a war it could not win. If the US were out of the equation, the Mossad's deadly miscalculations would have caused the downfall of their nation.
 
AlexYe

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PLAwatcher12 said:
From what I read it said 86% interception rate so 36 missiles hit what is in line what I read in critical areas but atleast 50 in total hit. But it’s likely more due to fog of war.
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I attached the tweet for the picture, not what they wrote and nah its not way 86% thats just damage control. On day 1 day it was 90%.
After that we saw multiple malfunctions , iran even targeting systems in 1-2 videos
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Israel's own media was saying 65%, Plus there is far too much damage for just 50 or so missiles, Not just in telaviv but other locations and haifa too.
If they were that top of their game they wouldnt be scrambling to censor any 'text' based confirmed hits of areas.
German journalists Sophie von der Tann, also confirmed that many military locations were hit too but they were only allowed to show
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937528499780165644
One can infer that Iranian missiles hit way more its why estimates were going from 120 to 170ish, 50 is too low for just the damage all over israel.

FriedRiceNSpice said:
Why IDF choose NOT to intercept missiles targetted at airbases?
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I dont get you
 
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AlexYe said:
I attached the tweet for the picture, not what they wrote and nah its not way 86% thats just damage control. On day 1 day it was 90%.
After that we saw multiple malfunctions , iran even targeting systems in 1-2 videos
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Israel's own media was saying 65%, Plus there is far too much damage for just 50 or so missiles, Not just in telaviv but other locations and haifa too.
If they were that top of their game they wouldnt be scrambling to censor any 'text' based confirmed hits of areas.
German journalists Sophie von der Tann, also confirmed that many military locations were hit too but they were only allowed to show
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937528499780165644
One can infer that Iranian missiles hit way more its why estimates were going from 120 to 170ish, 50 is too low for just the damage all over israel.


I dont get you
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@PLAwatcher12 has cognitive rigidity and whatever evidence you present doesn't matter .Coping more than the Zionists
 
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PLAwatcher12

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AlexYe said:
I attached the tweet for the picture, not what they wrote and nah its not way 86% thats just damage control. On day 1 day it was 90%.
After that we saw multiple malfunctions , iran even targeting systems in 1-2 videos
View attachment 155222

Israel's own media was saying 65%, Plus there is far too much damage for just 50 or so missiles, Not just in telaviv but other locations and haifa too.
If they were that top of their game they wouldnt be scrambling to censor any 'text' based confirmed hits of areas.
German journalists Sophie von der Tann, also confirmed that many military locations were hit too but they were only allowed to show
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937528499780165644
One can infer that Iranian missiles hit way more its why estimates were going from 120 to 170ish, 50 is too low for just the damage all over israel.


I dont get you
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65% if you read it was for the last day. And depending on the payload of the missiles it definitely can
 
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