2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Sinnavuuty

Captain
Registered Member
It appears that Qatar got Iran to agree to the ceasefire:

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The deniers will deny it: but Iran was shamefully defeated.

Its missile force was compromised. We don't know what happened, but Israel probably managed to disable part of Iran's MRBM arsenal.

Its air defense was compromised and even in the capital they lost control of the airspace. They may have good systems but they didn't have enough quantity or variety. They need to rebuild their air defense.

They delayed the nuclear program by attacking their facilities. They can build but they won't be able to produce. The main objective was to destroy the facilities, and in addition to Fordow, the US also attacked a mountain deposit in Isafhan where enriched uranium material was stored. Probably taking into account the attacks by Israel and these attacks by the Americans, the infrastructure of the nuclear program was badly damaged and will have to start almost from scratch. The loss of nuclear scientists will be felt more than the loss of material, since training new scientists takes more time and money than recovering material damage.

Its intelligence and counterintelligence need to improve considerably. There is no excuse for what happened, there should be a purge just like the Russians purged several directors and agents of the SVR/FSB at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the purge is necessary because their entire intelligence corps may still be compromised by the Mossad.

Iran should dissolve the IRGC. I have never seen a more useless army that can only launch ballistic missiles at other countries without causing much damage, without targeting strategic targets and incapable of preventing enemy superiority. In fact, this division between the army and the IRGC must end, the IRGC must be dissolved and formed into a single army with all IRGC assets transferred to the single army.

I could say more but I think that is enough for now.
 

lube

Junior Member
Registered Member
The deniers will deny it: but Iran was shamefully defeated.

Its missile force was compromised. We don't know what happened, but Israel probably managed to disable part of Iran's MRBM arsenal.

Its air defense was compromised and even in the capital they lost control of the airspace. They may have good systems but they didn't have enough quantity or variety. They need to rebuild their air defense.

They delayed the nuclear program by attacking their facilities. They can build but they won't be able to produce. The main objective was to destroy the facilities, and in addition to Fordow, the US also attacked a mountain deposit in Isafhan where enriched uranium material was stored. Probably taking into account the attacks by Israel and these attacks by the Americans, the infrastructure of the nuclear program was badly damaged and will have to start almost from scratch. The loss of nuclear scientists will be felt more than the loss of material, since training new scientists takes more time and money than recovering material damage.

Its intelligence and counterintelligence need to improve considerably. There is no excuse for what happened, there should be a purge just like the Russians purged several directors and agents of the SVR/FSB at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the purge is necessary because their entire intelligence corps may still be compromised by the Mossad.

Iran should dissolve the IRGC. I have never seen a more useless army that can only launch ballistic missiles at other countries without causing much damage, without targeting strategic targets and incapable of preventing enemy superiority. In fact, this division between the army and the IRGC must end, the IRGC must be dissolved and formed into a single army with all IRGC assets transferred to the single army.

I could say more but I think that is enough for now.

They're still months away from a bomb if they choose to start the sprint today. Killing of the scientists is a bit too late now.
They've already got enough material for a dozen bombs, and enrichment from 60% is quite fast.

Issue of course is, if they do build a dozen warheads, that's not a real deterrent if Israel and the US just decide to pretend having a bomb isn't really a win condition for Iran, keep bombing and potentially eat a real nuke sometime in the future.
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
Registered Member
This the lose condition for Israel. Missile landings become routine, and all the settlers with dual citizenship leave.
And many people here said the end of Iran and its people will overthrow the Mullahs. BUT the reversed had happen and it become an exodus as many of the Israelis are mostly transplant settlers NOT native born. And its funny usually Success had many Fathers and Defeat is Orphaned BUT in this situation it was reversed, you can see and feel the power of western propaganda especially here in SDF.
 

iewgnem

Senior Member
Registered Member
The deniers will deny it: but Iran was shamefully defeated.

Its missile force was compromised. We don't know what happened, but Israel probably managed to disable part of Iran's MRBM arsenal.

Its air defense was compromised and even in the capital they lost control of the airspace. They may have good systems but they didn't have enough quantity or variety. They need to rebuild their air defense.

They delayed the nuclear program by attacking their facilities. They can build but they won't be able to produce. The main objective was to destroy the facilities, and in addition to Fordow, the US also attacked a mountain deposit in Isafhan where enriched uranium material was stored. Probably taking into account the attacks by Israel and these attacks by the Americans, the infrastructure of the nuclear program was badly damaged and will have to start almost from scratch. The loss of nuclear scientists will be felt more than the loss of material, since training new scientists takes more time and money than recovering material damage.

Its intelligence and counterintelligence need to improve considerably. There is no excuse for what happened, there should be a purge just like the Russians purged several directors and agents of the SVR/FSB at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine, the purge is necessary because their entire intelligence corps may still be compromised by the Mossad.

Iran should dissolve the IRGC. I have never seen a more useless army that can only launch ballistic missiles at other countries without causing much damage, without targeting strategic targets and incapable of preventing enemy superiority. In fact, this division between the army and the IRGC must end, the IRGC must be dissolved and formed into a single army with all IRGC assets transferred to the single army.

I could say more but I think that is enough for now.
The side that's unilaterally announced a ceasefire without the other side's acknowledgement is usually not the winning side, lol
It's pretty obvious Israel can't survive a protracted war, there's nothing shameful in acknowledging Israel needs a ceasefire more than Iran.
 
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