2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

tokenanalyst

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Iran thinks it's enemies are as stupid as it is.
Say what you want, but Netanyahu is brutally ruthless. The moment he smells blood in the water, he will finish you off. No surrender, no wait and see, no second chances bs

Iran is over.
Let see, this conflict has enter another level. A very asymmetrical war that will be difficult for the US to get out.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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We know that credibility from Iranian media is not much better than indian levels, but rumors about only performative strikes by US

If this is true, Iran is against the clock and must take drastic action or they will suffer the fate of Saddam, Gaddafi and Assad.

They should not view this as a performative strike but as the direst of warnings and that they've been granted an extraordinary second chance that they did not deserve.
 

TPenglake

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Gaddafi lost control of his country. I don't expect something similar to happen to the Islamic Republic.
You don't expect a government like the IRI to lose control after accepting an unconditional surrender from the likes of the US and the Israel after just a week long bombing campaign?
Because Trump is unwilling to attempt "regime change", due to (1) the residual U.S. trauma over Iraq and (2) the fear that it would bog down the U.S. and ultimately benefit China.
He says he doesn't want it, but Israel still does. Trump also originally said that Israel was on its own in the air campaign, but look where we are now.
 

pokepara

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None of this changes how hard Iran is to invade and occupy. You can't overthrow a country by bombing it, even if the US wasn't running out of bombs.

You don't expect a government like the IRI to lose control after accepting an unconditional surrender from the likes of the US and the Israel after just a week long bombing campaign?

He says he doesn't want it, but Israel still does. Trump also originally said that Israel was on its own in the air campaign, but look where we are now.
Reports from Iran is that the people are more united than ever. Getting attacked tends to bolster nationalistic sentiment. Some Iranian women with hair uncovered (the kind that would be most Western-oriented) were interviewed demanding nuclear weapons development after Israel hit them.
 

SinoAmericanCW

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Counterpoint: Saddam Hussein.
Saddam Hussein never normalized with the U.S. It was also a different era, a time when China wasn't seen as a rival by Washington and the American ruling class widely shared the belief that interventionism had few downsides.

The disaster that followed U.S. interventionism in Iraq, coupled with the current rivalry with China, is precisely why I expect Iran to have an opportunity to come to terms with the U.S.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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None of this changes how hard Iran is to invade and occupy. You can't overthrow a country by bombing it, even if the US wasn't running out of bombs.


Reports from Iran is that the people are more united than ever. Getting attacked tends to bolster nationalistic sentiment. Some Iranian women with hair uncovered (the kind that would be most Western-oriented) were interviewed demanding nuclear weapons development after Israel hit them.
That means that if any enriched material or enrichment capability remains, it is now use it or lose it. Iran has otherwise lost all other leverage.
 
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