2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

BlackWindMnt

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Iran is like top 3 closest countries to India. They’ve turned down China for India in recent years. If India did this to them then India is genuinely so stupid. They already have few friends
It might also be an elaborate psyops from some of the Iranian factions plus Pakistani and Chinese governments. Just to nudge Iranian society into a more pro China and Eurasia direction. Given how the pro western liberal agenda has failed now that Israel has attacked Iran and the US is wondering if it should join those attacks. Also we now had the Iranian Military folks "confirm" that China and Russia offered help etc.

On a different note I could see this as an moment to gather a treasure trove of invaluable data for China and Russia. This is like a once in a decade moment to record as much data as possible from US stealth bombers doing bombing runs. Given those planes would also be used against China and Russia. Once you can find this needle consistently in the haystack of sensor data that will give you an invaluable advantage.

This might also be a good opportunity for China to try out some of their new algorithms to detect stealth planes. I think they published a way to find stealth bombers/fighters by analysing Starlink other LEO satellite signals disturbances for example.
 

tankphobia

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Ukraine has published interception rates and they admit that interception rate of Iskander is <10%.

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Ukraine had something like 50+ S-300 batteries and 6 Patriot batteries. Israel has 3 batteries of Arrow 2 and Arrow 3.

All you have to do is use your brain and ask yourself is China closer in tech level to Russia or to Iran? And this doesn't imply China is below Russia either.
I think it's more fair to say that BM defense in general is incredibly difficult, even against technically far inferior attacking platforms. Just from footage in Israel alone I think we have seen the most amount of successful BM interception from any conflict in history. There is simply more bandwidth of fire incoming than what can be reasonably intercepted. Iran did prepare for this day for decades so if they cannot even achieve this with a population of 90 million than they'll be a true laughingstock.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I think it's more fair to say that BM defense in general is incredibly difficult, even against technically far inferior attacking platforms. Just from footage in Israel alone I think we have seen the most amount of successful BM interception from any conflict in history. There is simply more bandwidth of fire incoming than what can be reasonably intercepted. Iran did prepare for this day for decades so if they cannot even achieve this with a population of 90 million than they'll be a true laughingstock.
Not so hard to intercept a BM if its targeting an ABM battery.

Waves of Iranian attacks targeted the THADD, Patriot, Arrow batteries , concentrating onto the radars.

And even in self defence mode they had to expand 10+ missile for each intercepted warhead.

I have a feeling about many country will cut back to bone the fighetr jet programs, and start to build SAM systems. Only problem is they are 40 years late in the game.

Problem is the Patriot build for directional defence against airplanes, even the THAAD deisgned for driectional defence due to cost cutting considerations.
 

Xiongmao

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More and more reports like these are emerging,

Modi did meet Netanyahu in Cyprus just two days after the Pahalgam incident, and again recently just before this Iran conflict.

Wild guess on Indian strategy,

India, with it's own superpower ambitions, knew Russia is getting left behind a bit, feared the rise of China, ditched Russia to join the NATO-Israel nexus.

This nexus required India to pass some tests as initiation into the club. 1. An attack on Pakistan to weaken it, and show NATO that India can hinder Chinese interests in the region, prevent Pakistan from supporting Iran in anyway, as well as bring Pakistan's nukes back into the spotlight (for removal); and 2. Ditch previous agreements with Iran and instead use those developments for espionage and sabotage operations for the benefit of Israel.

Messing up #1 angered NATO enough to shower Pakistan with praise, kick India out of G-7, and humiliate it on the international level in many ways. While #2 succeeded, or atleast initially as they all seem to be getting rounded up now by Iran.

I think the coming days will tell how much India succeeded, gauged by Western interactions with India (i.e. rewarded or punished?).

For those who followed the Afghan War and India's involvement, the Chabahar Port was supposed to be India's entry point into Afghanistan to train terrorists against Pakistan. India invested into Chabahar (Iran gave India a 10-year lease), invested in a rail connection from Chabahar to [I forgot], setting up a corridor to Afghanistan. But as NATO withdrew, to the dismay of India, and a historically anti-India Taliban formed the government, India's entire strategy (at the time) pretty much backfired. That is (my guess) when India decided to continue this project for the Israeli-NATO nexus - instead of targeting Pakistan, as initially planned, the corridor shifted towards anti-Iran operations. Hence, you got now Iran apprehending both Indians and Afghans who worked for Israel.
Kick India out of BRICS. How can you trust this?
 

Anlsvrthng

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Kick India out of BRICS. How can you trust this?
It is propaganda.

95% of information coming from the mainstream media is to shape the Iranian view, throguth direct and indirect (relatives abroad)ways.

No one supporting you,everyone against, you , situation hopeless, don't support and rise against the goverment .
This is the message.

Accepting it as face value poison one thinking, reason of the failure of CIA and MOSAD is they drank from the poisoned well of propagand.
 

Randomuser

Captain
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It is propaganda.

95% of information coming from the mainstream media is to shape the Iranian view, throguth direct and indirect (relatives abroad)ways.

No one supporting you,everyone against, you , situation hopeless, don't support and rise against the goverment .
This is the message.

Accepting it as face value poison one thinking, reason of the failure of CIA and MOSAD is they drank from the poisoned well of propagand.
Both India and Pakistan users are complicit in spreading so much fake news on the internet right now. Quite frustrating
 

AndrewJ

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Given the S-300 fiasco, I do not blame Iran for not joining Russia for air defense. Some members called out Iran for being stupid, but it is the right choice. In some ways Russia was complicite in ill fate of some those mentioned countries. Who is not to say Russia delay any arm export promised, or sell out the joint air defense to Israel? While Israel seems US leaning Russia itself has deep connection with Israel too. There is no reason Iran should trust Russia. Russia is just the good cop for Israel, US is the bad cop.

Iran has poor relationship with everyone. Why? Such a joker state, Iran's leadership should hung themselves. :rolleyes:

Iran is already top enemy of the entire West.

Iran developed partnership with India during recent Indo-Pak Conflict, renting its port to India, but India betrayed Iran in a sec.

Iran asked for weapons from wartime Russia, especially Su-35, not surprised why none of them are delivered yet.

Iran never gives a shit to Chinese weapons, no wonder why China is finding difficult to help Iran right now.

Iran stood still when its little brothers, aka Axis of Resistance, were targeted, that's why they're all stay neutral now. (except Houthis)
 
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siegecrossbow

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A question for the more knowledgeable members: Given we have seen an interception rate of about 90% achieved at times, would you say Iran's missiles are poor in quality, or pin it more on the fact that Israeli airspace is one of the most well guarded on the planet? Or perhaps a mix of both?

As it stands Iranian re-entry vehicles have some decent MaRVs to dodge, some of them (albeit not a lot), also had very high speeds. So how do you rate Iranian missiles, and do you think Chinese missiles (MRBM) in their place would have seen better success?

Israelis government claimed only 65 percent for latest interception rate… is the real one even lower?
 
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