2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

PLAwatcher12 said:

Something big must have been hit there if they don’t want people to film anything there. I know there is a restriction on what you can post but I think this is the first time they actually raided a place.

Considering Iran is filled with Mossad and their SAM and AD seem to be largely destroyed or just not working and that Isreal has basically free rein over Iran, I do think they might of, I don’t rule it out

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PLAwatcher12 said:

Something big must have been hit there if they don’t want people to film anything there. I know there is a restriction on what you can post but I think this is the first time they actually raided a place.

Considering Iran is filled with Mossad and their SAM and AD seem to be largely destroyed or just not working and that Isreal has basically free rein over Iran, I do think they might of, I don’t rule it out

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delfer said:

Regarding Mossad infiltration tactics, that is definitely a problem, but in a large, populated country like Iran, infiltrators and spies will exist, there’s not much that can be done about that, at least not with Iran’s current capabilities.

But about the air defense, there’s two possible arguments to that: the first potential argument being that Iran’s military defense doctrine was just never heavily geared towards AD, and so they never had much of it to begin with.

The second possible argument, though perhaps less likely, is that Iran literally wants to “eat” Israel’s missiles with its superior size and defenses, and would rather just lose some assets here and there, rather than expose the locations of their actual launchers, and save them for the real fight with NATO. It could even be cheaper for them that way in the long run.

Plus, all the bombings help galvanize the population and anger them further, turning them even more against Israel and the US.

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delfer said:

Regarding Mossad infiltration tactics, that is definitely a problem, but in a large, populated country like Iran, infiltrators and spies will exist, there’s not much that can be done about that, at least not with Iran’s current capabilities.

But about the air defense, there’s two possible arguments to that: the first potential argument being that Iran’s military defense doctrine was just never heavily geared towards AD, and so they never had much of it to begin with.

The second possible argument, though perhaps less likely, is that Iran literally wants to “eat” Israel’s missiles with its superior size and defenses, and would rather just lose some assets here and there, rather than expose the locations of their actual launchers, and save them for the real fight with NATO. It could even be cheaper for them that way in the long run.

Plus, all the bombings help galvanize the population and anger them further, turning them even more against Israel and the US.

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Gloire_bb said:

We have enough footage of F-16s specifically doing just that. 3 fuel tanks, maybe a sip of fuel on route - and go.
Range to western Iran is significant, but not overwhelming.

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Jaroslav said:

We also should remember that Iran has population of 90 milion which consists of many minorities and that there is a lot of foreign workers which could be easely bought or / and intimidated by Mossad

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delfer said:

Do people seriously believe that Israel has been able to destroy a large percentage of Iran’s launch systems in literally just 3-4 days?

People need to understand that we are talking about a country more than twice the size of Ukraine and twice the population? Plus a large part of their defense being the concealment and protection of military assets deep underground in fortified bunkers.

Even Desert Storm took far longer, and that was an entire coalition of US and NATO forces, in a major state of deployment, at a time when the US reigned supreme with essentially no capable enemies anymore.

All that against Iraq, a country that, yes, people claim to have had one of the strongest militaries at the time, but was just out of a war with Iran, whose leadership and cohesion was even more unstable than Iran’s, whose economy and industry was weak, whose land was more than three times smaller than Iran’s, and population more than four times smaller.

And NATO still had to put in heavy work to destroy their assets. Plus Iraq did not put much effort in tunnels and underground bunkers, which is a major factor in a military and country’s survival against a superior opponent.

They just did some fancy big booms like all western militaries love to do, not much more. I’m sure they destroyed some assets, probably some launchers here and there, but nothing even close to diminishing their power. Not yet at least.

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tamsen_ikard said:

If Israel had free rein over Iran's air space we would see manned fighters filmed by iranians. We haven't seen that. Instead we see expensive drones. These are not cheap shahed drones either.

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