This very normal state-within-a-state stuff.
We laugh at Egypt and Pakistan for having corrupt Army establishment control the country.
But we have an extra layer on top for Iran.
2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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This very normal state-within-a-state stuff.
We laugh at Egypt and Pakistan for having corrupt Army establishment control the country.
But we have an extra layer on top for Iran.
And why should they do that? The Iranian elite does exactly what they think it is best for them and their ideology... They never cared about the Iranian people just about the revolution, why would they change the goals, martyrs were always part of the fight.
Who trusts Iran? They signed it one time, then turned around and didn't implemented it because US is the smoky hot girl. There is zero trust on anything Iran says or agrees or signs
And even if they really implemented the agreement, what makes you think that present Political, Security, Diplomatic apparatus of Iran is competent enough to reap benefits and become a strong country?
No. Iran's present political system and governance has been proven to be an utter failure. They either need to replace it with something better, or sink. Otherwise there is no hope
I think people are getting a little ahead of themselves with all of the doomer “Iran has lost almost all of its AD and is losing BM launchers left and right” posts.
Let’s not forget that Ukraine also constantly released videos of them destroying Russian AD systems, as well as self-propelled artillery and rocket launchers like the TOS and Tornado Systems. Yet Russia is not even close to running out.
Yes Israel might be getting some lucky shots on the less hidden, more static targets, perhaps decoys even, but I’m sure Iran has plenty more hidden and safe.
Let’s also not forget that Israel, like Ukraine, is obsessed with releasing videos and images to embarrass their opponent and appear strong, so plenty of those videos could even be staged, as many of them seem to have little information to geolocate them.
And to the other posters who think that this is happening because Israel and the west are uber powerful and advanced with their SEAD capabilities, may I remind you that the US would likely not be able to destroy Ukraine’s AD, as they are very clever and sneaky in how they operate.
They hide them very well, in well hidden, protected areas, often amongst civilians, and then if hit, film only the civilian damage around it very carefully and skillfully to make it appear as if the target was not their AD, but civilians, unlike Iran and Russia, who for some reason unknown to me happily film their own losses.
Plus, Ukraine is very well known for constantly moving around their AD, as well as their launchers like HIMARS, they’re masters of shoot-and-scoot tactics; one second you have a lock on a launcher, next second it’s already gone. The US would struggle with tactics like this, as little in Ukraine is static. I mean, come on, you really think Russia would be able to kill a whole group of generals and scientists all bundled up like Israel did with Iran?
Ukraine keeps everything and everyone well spread out, hidden, underground, protected, and constantly moving around to confuse as much as possible. I’m not sure why Iran struggles with this, but I guess it’s something they need to figure out.
Let’s not forget that Ukraine also constantly released videos of them destroying Russian AD systems, as well as self-propelled artillery and rocket launchers like the TOS and Tornado Systems. Yet Russia is not even close to running out.
Yes Israel might be getting some lucky shots on the less hidden, more static targets, perhaps decoys even, but I’m sure Iran has plenty more hidden and safe.
Let’s also not forget that Israel, like Ukraine, is obsessed with releasing videos and images to embarrass their opponent and appear strong, so plenty of those videos could even be staged, as many of them seem to have little information to geolocate them.
And to the other posters who think that this is happening because Israel and the west are uber powerful and advanced with their SEAD capabilities, may I remind you that the US would likely not be able to destroy Ukraine’s AD, as they are very clever and sneaky in how they operate.
They hide them very well, in well hidden, protected areas, often amongst civilians, and then if hit, film only the civilian damage around it very carefully and skillfully to make it appear as if the target was not their AD, but civilians, unlike Iran and Russia, who for some reason unknown to me happily film their own losses.
Plus, Ukraine is very well known for constantly moving around their AD, as well as their launchers like HIMARS, they’re masters of shoot-and-scoot tactics; one second you have a lock on a launcher, next second it’s already gone. The US would struggle with tactics like this, as little in Ukraine is static. I mean, come on, you really think Russia would be able to kill a whole group of generals and scientists all bundled up like Israel did with Iran?
Ukraine keeps everything and everyone well spread out, hidden, underground, protected, and constantly moving around to confuse as much as possible. I’m not sure why Iran struggles with this, but I guess it’s something they need to figure out.
No, is just that playing the victim card, works. Diverts attention from the genocidal campaign in Gaza and when the multi-nacional and multilayer air defense systems inevitable get totally overwhelm, it will force the US with their big regional capabilities to enter the war and help Netanyahu to attack Iran, which is what he wants from the beginning.
The mood in Iran is the opposite of what you are saying. I think Iranians want to go for the Bomb now with much greater gusto. Moods have shifted towards hardline. Iran has the strategic depth to accept blows if they blow back too. Israel is a tiny country. For every 10 blows from Israel, if Iran can strike even 1 blow, that will cause serious problems for Israel.
Iran could have spent its budget on air defense, but they understood that spending on defense against superior air powers like US or its lackey israel is not a good deterrence. The real deterrence is offense. They chose to go for massive offensive capacity with missiles and drones. Iran by design has chosen that it will take blows but blow back too. Its Israel that is too vulnerable and small to take any blows. Every blow Israel takes, its Jewish population who mostly came from Europe start to think maybe they should leave this wartorn land and return to the peace and prosperity of Europe and US. Israel also has much smaller places and targets. So, Iran can cause more damage percentage wise even if most of their missiles are shot down. This is a long term attritional war.
I don't know how anyone remotely pro-China can say that, if US finishes Iran it will be a huge blow to China.
I'm hoping Iran somehow survives and their military coup the shit out of their useless Mullahs then maybe there's hope for Iran yet
Did you see the statements from france? Uk? germany?
Israel attacks first and they all say the same stuff "israel has the right to defend itself????" What...
If Russia took Ukraine seriously on day 1, we would be seeing the same things.
Shock and awe, giving Ukraine very little time to adapt under fire.
If Iran was a normal country I would say yes, they can replace everyone who died, and strategic depth means the fight evens out towards Iran. But we honestly don't know how much of their capabilities they can keep up after a week or more of bombing.
Unfortunately, don't think Iranians are mentally prepared for a real attritional war either. It'll be easy to say they can use the attack to rally around the flag, mobilize and gear up for a long fight and rush for the bomb but there's a chance they'll just fold and give up. Same way Ukraine would have collapsed within a week if Zelensky fled the capital.
Yes, I agree. A heavy, fast, initial attack would have ended things quickly, and likewise, the US would have easily succeeded in Russia’s place as well.
But now? The US, much like Russia, would struggle pretty hard in Ukraine.
So the problem is, with all the time Iran had to prepare, why are they still seemingly so clumsy? They should have been better prepared.
And to keep so many high ranking officials and scientists bundled together at a time when they knew Israel was planning to attack, is just ridiculous.