2021 Zhuhai Airshow Naval Systems


Tam

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Yes.
And 9M100 in Redut has a range of some 15km.

And 9M96E cannot be quad packed in Redut.



So, if you are comparing FM-3000N in the depicted VLS, when considering the primary characteristics of interest (quad packable and range), the FM-3000N is most accurately compared to ESSM and Mk-41 currently, or to 9M96E if it is ever adopted in a quad packable manner in UKSK.

Yes.

Also I'm comparing in terms of dimensions and aerodynamic design, the FM3000 and the 9M96 are similar although FM3000 is not likely a copy. More like similar mission creates a similar design. Having fore fins, or canards in the front, allow for great maneuverability.

I would think the FM3000N has plenty of extra growth that like the 9M96E to 9M96E2, you can extend the missile length to increase the range. This can let the missile extend itself to 120km like the 9M96E2, which is also the range of the Aster 30.

As for this being an 'export' missile, this is CASIC working on this, which is the main state owned organization that supplies missiles to the Chinese Navy. This is unlike the SD-50/DK-10 missile which is Norinco, which people once thought would be a prime candidate for a quad pack missile for the U-VLS (HT-1?). Norinco is for land based weapons.

I am more likely to think this is the "death ground" of development. Either this missile passes or fails, and if this missile does not pass, they will keep on working on this until it does.
 

Bltizo

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Yes.

Also I'm comparing in terms of dimensions and aerodynamic design, the FM3000 and the 9M96 are similar although FM3000 is not likely a copy. More like similar mission creates a similar design. Having fore fins, or canards in the front, allow for great maneuverability.

I would think the FM3000N has plenty of extra growth that like the 9M96E to 9M96E2, you can extend the missile length to increase the range. This can let the missile extend itself to 120km like the 9M96E2, which is also the range of the Aster 30.

As for this being an 'export' missile, this is CASIC working on this, which is the main state owned organization that supplies missiles to the Chinese Navy. This is unlike the SD-50/DK-10 missile which is Norinco, which people once thought would be a prime candidate for a quad pack missile for the U-VLS (HT-1?). Norinco is for land based weapons.

I am more likely to think this is the "death ground" of development. Either this missile passes or fails, and if this missile does not pass, they will keep on working on this until it does.

In terms of aerodynamic configuration, the FM-3000 baseline and 9m96 and Barak 8 are all somewhat similar superficially.

FM-3000N -- assuming that the model depicted in the model is accurate -- appears slightly more similar to something like ESSM or Standard, but hard to tell based on limited details.


So, I have a few takes, first of which is:
1. I'm not sure if the HT-1E VLS is an export version of the PLAN's universal VLS. It might be, but it's not something I'm comfortable assuming. There's a very real possibility it is an entirely export oriented universal VLS system
2. I'm not sure if FM-3000N is the 3-5 missile. It might be, but again, until we see the PLAN firing off 3-5 in the open, I don't think we can make that call.
3. For DK-10, I think fairly quickly after it was revealed, the possibility of it being a quad packable MR SAM for the PLAN's UVLS should've been ruled out. The dimensions of the missile made it basically impossible to quad pack in the UVLS, but too many online defense media and artists and fans talked about it as if it was intended to be the domestic quad packable MR SAM as is.


Overall, I would say that while this HT-1E VLS display and its various new missiles (including FM-3000N) is very interesting and encouraging, it just creates some more questions for us than answers.
 

Tam

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In terms of aerodynamic configuration, the FM-3000 baseline and 9m96 and Barak 8 are all somewhat similar superficially.

FM-3000N -- assuming that the model depicted in the model is accurate -- appears slightly more similar to something like ESSM or Standard, but hard to tell based on limited details.


So, I have a few takes, first of which is:
1. I'm not sure if the HT-1E VLS is an export version of the PLAN's universal VLS. It might be, but it's not something I'm comfortable assuming. There's a very real possibility it is an entirely export oriented universal VLS system
2. I'm not sure if FM-3000N is the 3-5 missile. It might be, but again, until we see the PLAN firing off 3-5 in the open, I don't think we can make that call.
3. For DK-10, I think fairly quickly after it was revealed, the possibility of it being a quad packable MR SAM for the PLAN's UVLS should've been ruled out. The dimensions of the missile made it basically impossible to quad pack in the UVLS, but too many online defense media and artists and fans talked about it as if it was intended to be the domestic quad packable MR SAM as is.


Overall, I would say that while this HT-1E VLS display and its various new missiles (including FM-3000N) is very interesting and encouraging, it just creates some more questions for us than answers.

Got to say something about 555. 50km is attainable and so is 50G. But Mach 5 for a small missile? I need to call it doubts on this one. This could be a misinterpretation. Mach 5 is hypersonic. Could it mean it can intercept a Mach 5 target? Perhaps. Could it be a minimum engagement height instead, like 5 meters?
 

by78

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More details on the JARI unmanned patrol boat.

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nlalyst

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I am a bit puzzled by the presentation in the show. We've seen the HHQ-9E and HHQ-9BE on display, the export VLS, but no associated radar. Is this just a photographer's omission or is there indeed no radar on display?
 

by78

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I think this is a coastal defense command center. It appears to be containerized for easy transport and mobile deployment:
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Integrated Sea Defense Weapon System. Zoom into the image to read the information sheet located on the right.
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Tam

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The last is a sea defense system that is disguised as a container. Maybe this is something intended to be installed on container ships.
 

FangYuan

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The last is a sea defense system that is disguised as a container. Maybe this is something intended to be installed on container ships.

It's not an attack system, so it doesn't need to try to disguise itself as a container. Also disguising as a container is a double-edged sword, because then the enemy will have a good reason to attack all other container equipped cargo ships.
 
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