2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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TerraN_EmpirE

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No. Potir the collapse of the Yanakovich regime was simply the match sparkling the fire. The strike of the match was the Russian trade agreement that imposed tariffs against European dealings. That was Yanokovich, Putin and the EU.
the brush that burns in this fire is the long standing political and economic development issues of Ukraine itself.

Simply saying this is the USA at work is bull, and shows a blatant disregard for the situation. its like your house collapsed around you and now you're blaming Jehovah's witness who knocked on your door.


The Ukraine was one Country two nations.
Yanokovich came to office barely, he had a strong popularity in Eastern and southern Ukraine. These are the population centers for ethnic and cultural Russia. Western Ukraine represents a more European cultural base with strong ties to Poland and Latvia. Yanokovich was unpopular there. And the want of European influence quite pertinent. The trade agreement was simply the Breaking point it. It decidedly favors the wants of the east. As to the US overthrow I call bull. The US did encourage yes but the fact is no US troops were in Ukraine. It was the people on the streets who demanded change and it was Yanokovich who more or less has legitimized there view when he ran away not to the safety of the east or south or Crimea but all the way to Russia.
Oh PS the 53 coup in Iran was British.
 
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MwRYum

Major
You supported maidan protesters but call pro-Russian protesters "thugs". It's called double standards. Maidan protesters didn't wait for elections.


He was not impeached. He was forced to fled the country. There were threats against him.

Even solders sent by current "government" in Kiev from western Ukraine to suppress protest in Yugovostok (eastern Ukraine) refuses to obey orders to suppress protests.
[video=youtube_share;dwhErv6Wujc]http://youtu.be/dwhErv6Wujc[/video]

Current "government" in Kiev is not popular in Yugovostok.
[video=youtube_share;T-wx2nPdlu8]http://youtu.be/T-wx2nPdlu8[/video]
These people are not going to back down. Will current "government" in Kiev shed blood. Only time will tell.

If not those Bandera freaks that is the current Kiev government rushed the new law to remove Russian its official language status, the pro-Russian Eastern Ukraine won't have been so readily to call Moscow for help. Eventhough the motion eventually repealed, it only serves to show which direction the new Kiev government is aiming for. If anything, similar motion - if not harsher - could very well be introduced again.

That's why whatever Moscow is doing in Eastern Ukraine have such local popular support, and that's something all those pro-Western media outlets (particular so in Taiwan and Hong Kong, they're too lazy to come up with their own analysis) won't tell you at the mildest, gloss over it at the most.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
You are really wasting your time on this board...

Perfect knowledge of Russia without a capability of even introducing yourself in Russian.

really Rutim? Really?
I was playing devils advocate. Pointing out a minor flaw in Ts argument. And then point was proven when someone predictably used that logic.

its opinion dude get used to it. Most of this is our own analysis based on what we know, what we see and what we can see. So please save the attacks for something worth it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
If not those Bandera freaks that is the current Kiev government rushed the new law to remove Russian its official language status, the pro-Russian Eastern Ukraine won't have been so readily to call Moscow for help. Eventhough the motion eventually repealed, it only serves to show which direction the new Kiev government is aiming for. If anything, similar motion - if not harsher - could very well be introduced again.
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That was a very foolish choice, by them as it feed the Russian propaganda machine a huge chunk of beef, that could be weaved into there ultranationalist line.
 
Guys, you were "fighting" at the time I slept :) now it took me 20 minutes to go over those three screens of posts ... I liked most
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-63-6796.html#post277676
Anyway, there was this extra meeting of the UN Security Council
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and I just noticed the ultimatum of the Ukraine government to the Militiamen would expire at 0900, Kiev time, in about two hours from now ... I hope Thud was correct http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-62-6796.html#post277644 I mean that a civil war won't start at that moment
 
No. Potir the collapse of the Yanakovich regime was simply the match sparkling the fire. The strike of the match was the Russian trade agreement that imposed tariffs against European dealings. That was Yanokovich, Putin and the EU.
the brush that burns in this fire is the long standing political and economic development issues of Ukraine itself.

Simply saying this is the USA at work is bull, and shows a blatant disregard for the situation. its like your house collapsed around you and now you're blaming Jehovah's witness who knocked on your door.


The Ukraine was one Country two nations.
Yanokovich came to office barely, he had a strong popularity in Eastern and Western Ukraine. These are the population centers for ethnic and cultural Russia. Western Ukraine represents a more European cultural base with strong ties to Poland and Latvia. Yanokovich was unpopular there. And the want of European influence quite pertinent. The trade agreement was simply the Breaking point it. It decidedly favors the wants of the east. As to the US overthrow I call bull. The US did encourage yes but the fact is no US troops were in Ukraine. It was the people on the streets who demanded change and it was Yanokovich who more or less has legitimized there view when he ran away not to the safety of the east or south or Crimea but all the way to Russia.

Oh PS the 53 coup in Iran was British.

Regarding your last point. Come on now, it is widely known that the CIA was in cahoots with the British. Just one of the more recent acknowledgements:

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Ukraine is definitely primed for at least a low grade civil war, it is likely to be a lose-lose for Russia in terms of intervene/not intervene. More difficult to say how big of a win it will be for the EU, but any loss for Russia is a win for the US.
 

Piotr

Banned Idiot
I don't recall Maidan looting police stations for weapons or asking a foreign nation to invade the country.
Maidan protesters looted guns. News from February 19, 2014:
Meanwhile in Ivano-Frankovsk, rioters have seized 268 pistols, 2 rifles, 3 light machine guns, 92 grenades and 15,000 ammunition rounds, the deputy head of the Security Service, Vladimir Porodko, has said, adding that the police are searching for the stolen arms. The firearms and munitions were stolen from a Security Service department, and the same departments were also attacked in Ternopol and Lvov overnight. According to Porodko, the buildings came under gunfire.
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There were threats by Maidan rioters about destroing pipelines in Ukraine (news from March 16, 2014):
The leader of ultranationalist group Right Sector, Dmitry Yarosh, has threatened to destroy Russian pipelines on Ukrainian territory if a diplomatic solution is not reached with Moscow.
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In fact Maidan's Right Sector had been even asking foreign terrorists for support:
Ukraine nationalist leader calls on 'most wanted' terrorist Umarov 'to act against Russia'. A leader of the Ukrainian radical group Pravy Sektor (Right Sector), Dmitry Yarosh, has called on Russia’s most wanted terrorist Doku Umarov to act against Russia in an address posted on Right Sector’s page in VKontakte social network.

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And more about "peacefull" and "democratic" Maidan protesters:
A group of men who identified themselves as the 'Warriors of Narnia', one of Kiev’s ‘self-defense’ squads, have been released from custody after convincing authorities that their armed assault on a bank was merely a measure to "protect" it.
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A unit of the ‘Maidan Self-Defense Force’ may have played a key part in a raid on a liquor factory in Ukraine. Armed civilians used smoke grenades to storm the building as court bailiffs stood by.
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28 paintings and 6 icons were reported missing from the recreational center ‘Bear oak grove’ after Right Sector members left its premises, said Ukraine’s Interior Ministry adding that the damage is estimated at about US$ 1 million.
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Seems like he was, unless you want to claim the South China Morning Post was involved in some sort of conspiracy to misreport what happened.
Xinhua and China Daily are reliable, South China Morning Post in not reliable.
 

Rutim

Banned Idiot
Xinhua and China Daily are reliable, South China Morning Post in not reliable.
There's nothing like reliable single news sources especially when it comes to state owned or funded organisations. You can get reliable informations when you get the same message coming from few self-contained sources.
 

Piotr

Banned Idiot
Simply saying this is the USA at work is bull, and shows a blatant disregard for the situation. its like your house collapsed around you and now you're blaming Jehovah's witness who knocked on your door.
Us spent $5 bilion to destabilize Ukraine. The US (Nuland) admit it.
The US has long history of medling in others internal affairs:
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And there were reports about Us mercenaries supporting current "government" in Kiev.

And even US jurnalist admit it's possible that CIA Director was recently in Ukraine.
A US journalist George Mapp, specializing in investigation into secret service activities and security issues, claims it was perfectly logical for the US to organize a personal visit by CIA Director John Brennan to Ukraine in the context of the unfolding geopolitical game around the country in question. Victor Yanukovych said earlier that it was after their meeting with Brennan that Ukraine’s power-wielding agency chiefs took the decision to launch a special operation in the east of the country.
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The Ukraine was one Country two nations.
I agree, western Ukraine is mostly pro-Western and eastern Ukraine is mostly pro-Russian with strong economic and cultural ties with Russia. The problem is that eastern Ukraine is much more rich than western Ukraine. And many people in eastern Ukraine are unhappy about their money going to Kiev and western Ukraine. Thats why they suport federalization of Ukraine, and thats why current "government" in Kiev and many people in western Ukraine are against federalization. So it's not so much about ideology but it's mostly about money. Russia also support federalization of Ukraine. With centralized Ukraine it's imposible for Russia to e.g. offer gas discount for eastern Ukraine and not for western Ukraine. It's funny how current anti-Russian "government" in Kiev expect Russia to sell them gas below market prices to help them with their anti-Russian agenda (like suppresing Russian language i Ukraine). Russia would be happy to offer gas discount for eastern Ukraine but not for western Ukraine. So as usuall it's all about the money.
 
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