2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Jura The idiot

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cepa.org, this was quick! :) and you guys may now ignore --
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the file from which I quote:
"The goals should be to (1) strengthen deterrence to reduce the risk of a Russian move against the Baltic States; and (2) improve the odds of a successful CEE defense by strengthening capabilities needed to counter emerging Russian offensive techniques. The means might include some combination of the following actions:

1.
Get U.S. boots on the ground.

2.
Develop an A2/AD strategy for CEE.

3.
Enhance regional air defenses.

4.
Route planned unit relocations to CEE.

5.
Play to areas of CEE strength—and concern.

6.
Make better use of CEE open spaces.

7.
Deepen CEE linkages to NATO command and
control.

8.
Consider lifting the ban on tactical nuclear
weapons in CEE."

(CEE is Central and Eastern Europe)
 
Air Force Brat

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Jura said:
cepa.org, this was quick! :) and you guys may now ignore --
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the file from which I quote:
"The goals should be to (1) strengthen deterrence to reduce the risk of a Russian move against the Baltic States; and (2) improve the odds of a successful CEE defense by strengthening capabilities needed to counter emerging Russian offensive techniques. The means might include some combination of the following actions:

1.
Get U.S. boots on the ground.

2.
Develop an A2/AD strategy for CEE.

3.
Enhance regional air defenses.

4.
Route planned unit relocations to CEE.

5.
Play to areas of CEE strength—and concern.

6.
Make better use of CEE open spaces.

7.
Deepen CEE linkages to NATO command and
control.

8.
Consider lifting the ban on tactical nuclear
weapons in CEE."

(CEE is Central and Eastern Europe)
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and I have been patiently waiting for your "take" and I wholly agree, its well past time to rock and roll on this deal and hopefully somebody will light a fire under O'bama's butt, he seems to have a real aversion to "pulling the trigger", probably "locks up" over the tee as well, in Archery we call it "target panic". In golf its probably the number one reason guys shank their shots, course BHO has shanked this one into the deep rough already.....but I agree 1. Boots on the Ground, and 2.bad birds in theatre
 
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Jura said:
cepa.org, this was quick! :) and you guys may now ignore --
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the file from which I quote:
"The goals should be to (1) strengthen deterrence to reduce the risk of a Russian move against the Baltic States; and (2) improve the odds of a successful CEE defense by strengthening capabilities needed to counter emerging Russian offensive techniques. The means might include some combination of the following actions:

1.
Get U.S. boots on the ground.

2.
Develop an A2/AD strategy for CEE.

3.
Enhance regional air defenses.

4.
Route planned unit relocations to CEE.

5.
Play to areas of CEE strength—and concern.

6.
Make better use of CEE open spaces.

7.
Deepen CEE linkages to NATO command and
control.

8.
Consider lifting the ban on tactical nuclear
weapons in CEE."

(CEE is Central and Eastern Europe)
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Fascinating. There is a big difference between Russia preventing Ukraine to be adsorbed by NATO and consequently losing is naval base in Sevastopol and Russia trying to get NATO to retreat from other countries.

As for the danger of Russian interference in the Baltic states: Would NATO be happy to militarily protect the violation of human rights of Russian speaking citizens of these countries?

This article is mostly about the advantages to NATO ( exercise areas ).

I notice that the defense of Poland is considered to be damaged by its contribution to the occupation of Afghanistan. :)

Nuclear weapons to the CEE: The Netherlands would be as happy as Germany to get rid of these weapons but why dump them in the CEE? The Non-Proliferation treaty says they should be abolished.
 
SampanViking

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A lot of froth from NATO and a reinforcement of the Baltic States.

Reading between the lines, Obama and Kerry have washed their hands of the Ukraine and who can blame them. Every option is a loser, with walking away the cheapest and least risky.

So it is no longer if Russia takes control of the Eastern Regions and the Odessa Corridor to TransDinestra, but when and the precise method through which this is achieved.
 
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A commentator on economic matter writes today in my Dutch center right newspaper that if all European NATO countries that now spend less than 2% of GDP on their defense would increase that to 2% the money value of the increase would be $76b which is very nearly the Russian defense budget of $90b. Another way of looking at the numbers.
 
Jura The idiot

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delft said:
A commentator on economic matter writes today in my Dutch center right newspaper that if all European NATO countries that now spend less than 2% of GDP on their defense would increase that to 2% the money value of the increase would be $76b which is very nearly the Russian defense budget of $90b. ...
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delft, I wasn't sure if this was not some April Fool's Day contribution by your center right newspaper :) so I checked and yeah, it could be: the 2012 EU GDP was 12894 trillion Euro, so one permill would be about 13 billion Euro; 76 billion would be about 0.6% and it fits, as the 2012 EU military spending was 192.5 billion Euro: 192.5/12894 is 1.5%
 
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So it is no longer if Russia takes control of the Eastern Regions and the Odessa Corridor to TransDinestra, but when and the precise method through which this is achieved.
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I highly doubt it. At this point it looks like Russia would rather have a Western-leaning Ukraine diluted with pro-Russian Ukrainians and regions rather than a partitioned Ukraine with more concentrated and extreme views in each part.
 
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From the BBC website:
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2 April 2014 Last updated at 10:14 GMT

Ukraine far-right leader Sashko Bily 'shot himself'


A Ukrainian far-right leader accidentally shot and killed himself during a shoot-out with police last month, an investigation has concluded.

The inquiry by the interior ministry said Oleksandr Muzychko, aka Sashko Bily, had shot himself in the heart as police tried to wrestle him to the ground during the chase.

He was a member of the Right Sector - a key player in Ukraine's mass protests.

The group had threatened revenge for the death, blaming the police.

However, group members have so far made no public comments on the inquiry's findings.

The Right Sector played a prominent role in the Kiev protests - and the clashes with police - that led to the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych from power.

The results of the inquiry into the 24 March shoot-out in the western Rivne region were published on the interior ministry's official website.

The investigators determined that Mr Muzychko, 51, had shot twice as police were trying to arrest and handcuff him.

The first shot scratched his skin, they said, but the second proved fatal.

The policemen tried to treat him at the scene and called an ambulance.

'Contract killing'

Earlier, one of the police officers was shot and injured by Mr Muzychko during the chase.

The inquiry concluded that the police had acted lawfully.


Right Sector activists have been furious over the death of Mr Myzuchko.

"We will avenge ourselves on [Interior Minister] Arsen Avakov for the death of our brother. The shooting of Sashko Bily is a contract killing ordered by the minister," member Roman Koval was quoted as saying by the Ukrayinska Pravda website after the shoot-out.

The minister has denied the allegation.

On 28 March, Right Sector activists blocked the parliament building in the capital Kiev and smashed windows.

The Right Sector's continued presence on the streets presence has complicated the work of Ukraine's new leaders, who have struggled to demonstrate they are fully in control after Russia's disputed annexation of Crimea and violent pro-Russian protests in eastern parts of the country, the BBC's David Stern in Kiev reports.

What is more, Right Sector has bolstered the Kremlin's seemingly exaggerated claims that "fascists" have taken over Ukraine's government and are roaming the capital's streets, threatening minorities and Russian-speakers, our correspondent adds.

However, the Right Sector has been trying to turn itself into a mainstream party.

Its leader Dmytro Yarosh has already been registered as a presidential candidate in 25 May elections.
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I'm quite prepared to believe this because I'm not concerned. But what will his friends believe? I understand he had years of experience handling fire arms.
Btw who's paying for Right Sector?
 
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Jura said:
SampanViking,



that Corridor, what is it, exactly?

A moment ago I checked it'd theoretically take 1 hour and 22 minutes by car from Tiraspol, Trans-Dniestr to Odessa, Ukraine, driving on the 100 km road shown here:
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Surprised that you think there is anything contentious about that.
If you look at pretty much any of maps that have been used in the main stream media for their reporting (examples in link)

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...they all show a clear line of demarcation between the Russian leaning regions and the Nationalist Ones. Included in this is the line of three coastal regions of the South East that form a land corridor running from the Crimea to Odessa and linking to Transdinestria.

It was also NATO itself that has been warning of Russia being able to force a path along this line to achieve the connection. So in short, both the basis of geography and the strategy have been well established in the main stream public domain.

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I highly doubt it. At this point it looks like Russia would rather have a Western-leaning Ukraine diluted with pro-Russian Ukrainians and regions rather than a partitioned Ukraine with more concentrated and extreme views in each part.
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Why would Russia want that? They made clear exactly what they want over the weekend and that is a Federal structure in which the regions have a very high degree of autonomy to include external agreements. This really means a Ukraine that exists in little more than name only and one where many regions may indeed have similar referendums regarding joining the Russian federation.

Not wishing to sound immodest, but I did pretty much predict the course of events and the arguments prior to the Kerry Lavrov meeting over the weekend in post 767.

Lavrov has demanded a looser federal system
Kerry has said that this is something for Russia to sort out with the Ukrainians directly (washing his hands of the problem)
The Kiev regime have indeed replied "why should we agree to this, it is a demand for capitulation"

The key part of the quotes sentence you replied too, was about the when and the method used.

Russia would happily gain its objectives through diplomatic arrangement, but still has the option of an R2P intervention if called upon to use it.

Unfortunately, ten years of agitation and counter agitation to try and remove the Russian presence from The Crimea has polarised and now fractured the unity of the Ukraine nation beyond repair. Now, with the Crimea gone, there is absolutely no incentive for any Western nations to try put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
 
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