2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Rutim

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Your opinion ≠ maths. Stop misquoting it as such.
Let's say that 58% of Crimean population speaks Russian, 12% are Tatars and rest are Ukrainians. 87% means all of Ukrainians and Russians went to vote and they all said 'Yes' to separation from Ukraine (Tatars of course boycotted the referendum). This means almost 100%.

That's mathematic way of thinking and indeed, it doesn't equal my way of seeing things.
Irrespective of whether it is the Western Regions wanting to join the EU or the Eastern wanting to join Russia, that the majority of Ukrainians actually do not want to be a part of Ukraine!
Have you ever talked to any Ukrainian from the eastern part of the country!

I bet you didn't!

And I haven't heard there were any separastic movements there before!
 
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Shale gas and oil shale are real deals, there is no doubt about that.
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Instead of Likes, I've gotten Wikipedia articles LOL

I asked mainly because I recall some time ago, three years maybe, there was "a shale gas rush" in Poland, with claims of reserves for one thousand years of Poland's current natural gas consumption! but now there seems to be "only 1 -- 10% shale gas left" :) of those estimates, without any digging as far as I know ... and for example ExxonMobil pulled off (in September 2013, I just checked)
 

thunderchief

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Tatars of course boycotted the referendum

Not all of the Tatars boycotted referendum, there are those with ties and relatives in Russia. RussiaToday claims 40% of Tatars voted (either way), I'm a bit skeptical about this number (it is probably more like 20-30%) .Officially , overall turnout was 81,37% and 95.7% of those voted yes .

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solarz

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The issue here delft is that two wrong don't make a right, I am not supporting the actions of US on Libya or Iraq and not supporting Russia for standing by Assad what is wrong is wrong

You deport all the ethnic people and send in Russians and hold a referredum and say its your territory?

Where have there been reports that anybody has been deported from Crimea?
 

solarz

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Let's say that 58% of Crimean population speaks Russian, 12% are Tatars and rest are Ukrainians. 87% means all of Ukrainians and Russians went to vote and they all said 'Yes' to separation from Ukraine (Tatars of course boycotted the referendum). This means almost 100%.

What exactly are you trying to say?
 

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Good news for China?

Japan Imposes Mild Sanctions on Russia Over Crimea said:
TOKYO — Japan on Tuesday imposed some modest sanctions on Russia for its recognition of Crimea as an independent state — suspending talks on relaxing visa requirements between the two countries and talks on investment, space exploration and military cooperation.

Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida said in a statement that Japan does not recognize the outcome of Crimea's referendum to split from Ukraine, saying it violates the Ukrainian Constitution.

"It is regretful that Russia's recognition of the independence of Crimea interferes with the integrity of Ukraine's sovereignty and territory," Kishida told reporters. "We cannot overlook Russia's attempt to change the status quo by force."

The moves are seen as mild compared to sanctions by the U.S. and European Union, which have frozen the assets of individuals linked to the unrest in Crimea or who support the region's vote to secede from Ukraine.

But Japanese officials said that an investment seminar sponsored by private institutions but backed by both governments that was scheduled for Wednesday was still on.

Ties between Russia and Japan have been strained for decades due to a dispute over a cluster of Russian-controlled islands off the northern island of Hokkaido called the southern Kurils in Russia and the Northern Territories in Japan. The dispute has kept the two countries from signing a peace treaty after World War II.

But last month, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said that negotiations toward forging a treaty were accelerating. Abe is also eager to unleash new trade and energy business with Russia that has been hung up by the dispute.
 

thunderchief

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Instead of Likes, I've gotten Wikipedia articles LOL

I asked mainly because I recall some time ago, three years maybe, there was "a shale gas rush" in Poland, with claims of reserves for one thousand years of Poland's current natural gas consumption! but now there seems to be "only 1 -- 10% shale gas left" :) of those estimates, without any digging as far as I know ... and for example ExxonMobil pulled off (in September 2013, I just checked)

Well, you said you don't understand what shale gas is :p

As for Poland, certainly there is some shale gas there, only question is would it pay off to extract it (compared to let"s say Russian gas ) . As you could see from article below, George Soros is very much interested in Polish shale gas, and he is main force behind many "democratic" revolutions , so connect the dots yourself ;)

Europe Nears First Commercial Shale Gas Production in Poland

Europe passed a “major milestone” on the way to starting commercial shale gas production as San Leon (SLE) Energy Plc said testing at one of its Polish wells was successful.

Natural gas flowed from the vertical Lewino well in a shale formation in the Baltic Basin in northern Poland at as much as 60,000 cubic feet per day during tests, Dublin-based San Leon, a natural-gas explorer backed by billionaire George Soros and Blackrock Inc., said today in a filing. The company will start drilling a more productive horizontal well no later than July, said Dennis McKee, the chief executive officer of United Oilfield Services Sp. z o.o., which worked on Lewino.

Countries including Poland, the U.K., Ukraine and Romania are keen to develop shale gas resources as a way to lower energy costs and reduce imports. Europe must get a grip on energy prices to protect growth and reduce the cost gap with the U.S., where a shale-gas revolution has cut prices, European Union Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger told a conference in Berlin on Jan. 21, via a link from Brussels.

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Franklin

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I will be straight forward and clear, Ukraine peoples are very nice and friendly they are good to do business with and always wanted to be separate from Russia but at the same time they were also nice to the Russians and allowed them the naval base for the Russian Black Sea Fleet

It's the responsibly of all European country's, NATO and US to help Ukraine and stand by them throgh thick and thin

All of them should be ashamed with thier slow slow approach with all the modern militray hardware they were unable to stop Crimea falling to Russia

I am not saying there should be a war but where is the deterrence now???

Europe is shivering with fear of Russia no one has the guts to stand up to them and this just gives them more and more confidence tomorrow when another Eastern European country's falls under the spell of Russia

The referredum is illegal and not recognised, you can't deport the ethnic people's send in Russians hold referredum and say its part of your country

This is illegal the region was ethically cleansed and Crimes belongs to Ukraine end of story

For all their naval power the West has let Ukraine down so quick to jump to Libya and Syria yet nothing when a entire region is axed by Russia shameful

That's what this is shameful tomorrow who's next?

There is not much that the US or Europe can do about it. Militarily Russia's actions are being backed by 8500 nuclear warheads. Economically Europe is dependent for 1/3 of its gas supply from Russia. Any cut off or sanctioning of gas and other energy export will cause rolling blackouts throughout the continent. US has very little trade with Russia and there for very little leverage. And trade is always a two way street anyway. Diplomatically the Russians have a veto on the UN security council and is able to veto any resolution put forward against them. So i'm not sure what you propose we do. Russia could be kicked out of the G8, but i'm not sure if that will be seen as such a big loss by the Russians.

And to your question where next. Keep a close eye on what is happening in the far east of the Ukraine. Its anarchy there and if there is bloodshed Russia may use it as an excuse to intervene.
 
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Not all of the Tatars boycotted referendum, there are those with ties and relatives in Russia. ...

Just a technicality: Can you tell Ukrainian from Russian from Tatar from whoever officially now in Ukraine, I mean if this information is readily available from the most common ID of an individual in the Crimea for example?

In the Czech Republic, this information wouldn't be available, and even in a census here you could declare any "nationality" you wanted even if it's obviously not yours (so for example there were some Eskimos Czech citizens -- who have nothing in common with Greenland :)
 
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