2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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SampanViking

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SampanViking, you may confront your theory with what's here:
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(google-translate should work; a Czech eye-witness (somebody who was in Odessa on May 2) confirms the pictures are authentic, he's taken similar by himself -- this discomforted some people on a Czech leftist server heheh). You may even tell us if you still think that firearms were used by the members of a protective detail of a local politician ...

Unfortunately Google Translate tells me that your site is a secure site and that translation is not available. This is a shame as the translation would no doubt explained a lot of what I was seeing.
Overall though, the pictures simply reinforced the impression of a sectarian march passing through the community of the other side. Many of those pictures could have been from the Bogside in 69.
I realise you are no doubt trying to call my attention to the few pictures that seem to show men (presumably Russian) bearing what look like semi automatic pistols during the march. Again all we saw were men posing away from the trouble and not even a picture of the weapons being fired, so we cannot even be sure if they are real or replica's.
By contrast there is well publicised footage of Pro Kiev protesters shooting in to the burning Trade Union Building.
As AFB mentions, there are some people wearing some fairly strange archaic gear and the vast majority of the weapons seemed to be sticks, stones and even a few brooms.

Rather more interesting is Mr Putin's announcement today regarding the Donbass Referendum and the May 25th Elections.
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This is clearly a plan drawn up with the OSCE for de-escalation and no doubt Mr Putin is looking to use it get back on the front foot in the propaganda war, where he was forced onto the back foot after Geneva.
The reason for that is simple. Despite the continued occupation of Maidan and the continued presence of armed Far Right Militia, none of which Kiev made any effort to disarm or clear, there were far less visible than the Pro Federalisation Gunman and so the West was able to point at their non-compliance and ignore those of the Kiev side.
This time is different as the first step of physical de-escalation will be the withdrawal of the Ukrainian armed forces from the Donetsk region.
It only took 48 hours to kill Geneva, that leaves enough time to put the blame for this round on Kiev and still hold the referendum on Sunday.
 

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SampanViking, you may confront your theory with what's here:
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(google-translate should work; a Czech eye-witness (somebody who was in Odessa on May 2) confirms the pictures are authentic, he's taken similar by himself -- this discomforted some people on a Czech leftist server heheh). You may even tell us if you still think that firearms were used by the members of a protective detail of a local politician ...

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Man these guys will use anything for armor protection! From bike helmets, to old army helmets, and even medieval one with chain-mail underneath it.:p
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Renaissance fair much?
Can I hear A HAZZAAHH!
Note he's not just wearing a St. Wenceslas style helmet with Chain mail he's also wearing a Brigandine ( the armored vest) couter ( elbow armor) Gauntlet's ( armored gloves) I mean.. Wow it's getting Medievel literally.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Putin: Russian troops withdrawn from Ukraine border
By Doug Stanglin
USA Today
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday called for a delay in Sunday’s referendum on autonomy in southeastern Ukraine and said Russia has withdrawn troops from the Ukraine border.

“We have been told that our troops on the Ukrainian border are a concern — we have withdrawn them,” Putin said after meeting in Moscow with Swiss President Didier Burkhalter. “They are not now on Ukrainian territory, but at locations where they conduct regular drills at ranges.”

TV Rain, an independent Russian TV channel, tweeted photographs of Russian troops pulling back form the border.

At the same time, he called on Ukraine’s military to halt operations against pro-Russia activists who have seized government buildings and police stations in eastern Ukraine.

“This method of settling the internal political conflict is not a reliable way of resolving all political disputes,” he said. “On the contrary, they deepen the divisions.”

Putin said a delay in the May 11 referendum was needed “to create proper conditions for this dialogue,” the Russian ITAR-Tass news agency reports.

A similar referendum in March over the disputed Ukrainian region of Crimea led to the annexation of the area by Russia.

In response to Putin’s remarks, pro-Russian activist Denis Pushilin, one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, said the “people’s council” would discuss the possibility of a postponement on Thursday, RT.com reports.

“We respect Putin’s position,” Pushilin said. “He is a balanced politician. So we will submit this proposal tomorrow to the people’s council. “

The United States and the European Union have charged that the armed pro-Russian activists are being directed by Russian troops.

Putin said that Russia is interested in a speedy settlement of the crisis by taking into account the interests of all citizens no matter where they live.

“Russia believes that the crisis that has broken out in Ukraine and is actively evolving by the worst possible scenario is to be blamed on those who organized the state coup in Kiev,” the president noted.

Moscow has blamed this year’s political tumult on pro-Western demonstrations in Kiev that eventually drove the pro-Russian president, Viktor Yanukovych, from office in February.

The Russian leader called Ukraine’s presidential election — scheduled for May 25 — as a move “in the right direction,” but emphasized that constitutional reforms must precede any nationwide vote in Ukraine.

Roman Lyagin, chairman of the Donetsk People’s Republic election commission, told the Associated Press that Putin’s remarks notwithstanding, plans for holding an autonomy referendum on Sunday remained unchanged.

In Berlin, a leading Ukrainian presidential candidate said he was prepared to negotiate a decentralization of power as pro-Russia insurgents in the east have demanded.

But Petro Poroshenko, a billionaire chocolate magnate, added that some insurgents in the eastern region understand only “the language of force.”

In Kiev, the Ukrainian capital, Jeffrey Feltman, the United Nations undersecretary-general for political affairs, met with Ukraine’s acting president, Oleksandr Turchynov, on Wednesday after visiting Moscow a day earlier. British Foreign Secretary William Hague also arrived to speak with the nation’s leaders.

Speaking in a BBC interview, Hague lent his support to Ukraine’s May 25 election.

Ukrainians “cannot be bullied out of having their elections by disorder that is deliberately fomented and coordinated from another country, in this instance Russia,” he said.

The U.S. and European nations have increased diplomatic efforts ahead of Ukraine’s the presidential election.

Burkhalter, chairman of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, was meeting with Putin to talk about Ukraine and the status of OSCE observers there. Seven international military observers with an OSCE mission were taken hostage by pro-Russian insurgents in the eastern city of Slovyansk for days and released only Saturday.

Russia and the West have expressed a desire for the OSCE to play a greater role in defusing the tensions in Ukraine.

Contributing: The Associated Press
counter point
U.S.: ‘No evidence’ of Russia pulling troops back
WASHINGTON — The White House says there is “no evidence” that Russia has withdrawn troops from its border with Ukraine.

The comments from White House spokesman Josh Earnest came shortly after Russian President Vladimir Putin(POO’-tihn) said his country had pulled troops back from the border. Earnest says the White House would welcome a “meaningful and transparent” withdrawal if it were to take place.

Putin also urged insurgents in southeastern Ukraine to postpone their planned referendum Sunday on autonomy. Earnest said the U.S. believes the referendum should be canceled, not postponed.

Russia has had about 40,000 troops positioned on Ukraine’s border for several weeks. The U.S. says those forces are there to stir up instability in Ukraine, not for regular training exercises. – AP
 
Jura, what is the significance of the folks wearing medieval armor, of course the captions are in Russian, and I would really be interested in your synapsis of these events, keep it simple for the brat if you can???

AFB, I'll send you (or anybody who wants to hear) a Private Message with that blogger's description of events instead of posting it here, so that it doesn't look like I want to challenge the posts by the Moderator of this thread
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-85-6796.html#post280231
and
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-86-6796.html#post280274

As for "significance of medieval armor": I hope I didn't overlook anything in that blog, but the relevant caption (or any other part) doesn't say anything useful, I think; my translation:
"Practically all people who gathered at Alexandrovsky Prospect [this is a wide street where pro-Russian protesters were at the beginning of events] had masks, helmets, shields. Their weapons were sticks, baseball-bats, and sometimes axes. As for identification symbols, a vast majority of those people had the Ribbon of Saint George, and some of them had red bands wrapped around their hands." So: I don't know.
 
Renaissance fair much?
Can I hear A HAZZAAHH!
Note he's not just wearing a St. Wenceslas style helmet with Chain mail he's also wearing a Brigandine ( the armored vest) couter ( elbow armor) Gauntlet's ( armored gloves) I mean.. Wow it's getting Medievel literally.

HAZZAAHH!
Watch out! He might break out the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Omg it gets better I followed Jara's link and our rusty knight in shining armor... Has a Shield and not one of the riot cops type its a full blown Heater Shield (meaning its boat shaped, like the kind once carried by knights. I keep looking for his sword, horse or pike.
I mean I can't stop laughing. If not for the blue jeans I might have though I was watching some episode of Primeval or Doctor who. All I can think of is that this guy is a mascot or something.
 

delft

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I think Putin wanted to give the Kiev regime a reason to end its violence against the federalists after which these would delay the vote perhaps even indefinitely. Kiev said no, so the referendum goes ahead.
 
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