09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread

para80

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I'm not sure whether this is the best place here (given this is but one of three threads on PLAN nuclear powered submarines) or the PLAN News thread instead, but CMSI has released a rather comprehensive report on PLAN nuclear powered submarines from the beginning to speculation on 09V/VI. I'd be interested to hear informed opinions on relevant aspects/fact checking etc.

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I'm not sure whether this is the best place here (given this is but one of three threads on PLAN nuclear powered submarines) or the PLAN News thread instead, but CMSI has released a rather comprehensive report on PLAN nuclear powered submarines from the beginning to speculation on 09V/VI. I'd be interested to hear informed opinions on relevant aspects/fact checking etc.

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The historical parts are a bit better than the speculative parts about 09IIIB, 09V, 09VI etc, let's put it that way.

"If the analyses presented above prove to be accurate, then the Type 095 has the potential to approach the propulsion, quieting, sensors, and weapons capabilities of Russia’s Improved Akula I"

Like lol, lmao even
 

para80

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I mean yeah I think I found a mistake in their reasoning on launch rate for 09IIIB already. Also the report spends a fascinating amount of time on conjecture of rubber mount and reactor proliferation between Russia and China but the assumptions at certain points seem to represent leaps of faith more than verifiable fact. Hence I was curious. Thanks.
 

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"If the analyses presented above prove to be accurate, then the Type 095 has the potential to approach the propulsion, quieting, sensors, and weapons capabilities of Russia’s Improved Akula I"

Like lol, lmao even
In what way is that a completely unreasonable assumption (your comment points to that I think), given the fact that we are a priori talking about speculation here?
 

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In what way is that a completely unreasonable assumption (your comment points to that I think), given the fact that we are a priori talking about speculation here?

Because this isn't 2009 anymore.

But in more seriousness, because of what we know where contemporary relevant Chinese industries are at, and also the growing wave of credible rumours as to where 09IIIB and 09V are expected to be.
 

Dante80

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Because this isn't 2009 anymore.

But in more seriousness, because of what we know where contemporary relevant Chinese industries are at, and also the growing wave of credible rumours as to where 09IIIB and 09V are expected to be.
So essentially the assumptions in that study run contrary to what we roughly know about the current or speculated state of the art in China as far as nuclear submarines are concerned.
 

Blitzo

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So essentially the assumptions in that study run contrary to what we roughly know about the current or speculated state of the art in China as far as nuclear submarines are concerned.

The relevant parts of the article are inconsistent and out of date from what we understand of the Chinese nuclear submarine advancement and relevant industries.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I mean yeah I think I found a mistake in their reasoning on launch rate for 09IIIB already. Also the report spends a fascinating amount of time on conjecture of rubber mount and reactor proliferation between Russia and China but the assumptions at certain points seem to represent leaps of faith more than verifiable fact. Hence I was curious. Thanks.
Exactly He makes it sound as if the pneumatic shock absorber is the best thing since sliced bread. It is not Pneumatic shock absorber is ubiquitous in industry and most commonly use in the heavy truck industry. The Chinese must be blind not knowing it and need to steal the technology from Russia. Another thing we have some report some years back that China has successfully designed a reactor with more than 50% of cooling using natural circulation.Chinese civilian reactor design capability is quite advanced. They have 5 or 6 reactor designs concurrently now. I don't know why China has to beg for Russian design. It all smacks like "China can't invent things".Another thing designing a pneumatic shock absorber is quite simple why wait 10 years . There are hundreds of Chinese industrial suppliers and truck components that can do that. But designing an active feedback control is difficult..There is a report some years back of a Chinese scientist who just do that in Australia.
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I'm not sure whether this is the best place here (given this is but one of three threads on PLAN nuclear powered submarines) or the PLAN News thread instead, but CMSI has released a rather comprehensive report on PLAN nuclear powered submarines from the beginning to speculation on 09V/VI. I'd be interested to hear informed opinions on relevant aspects/fact checking etc.

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What they expect from the 095 is likely below what the 093B is today.
 
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