09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[taxiya]

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A solution can be the 4 new Shang, one 093A and three 093B, 093A possible more long ? and quiet but ofc don' t have VLS, very possible yet in service with SSF can be confirmed with the presence of 054A 575 Yuncheng rattached to SSF...

Not sure what you mean. Are you answering to both post #667 and #668?

There is only one 093x in this passage through malacca as far as I know. The other is 054A FFG-571 and submarine rescuer ship ASR-863.
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[FORBIN]

Ok 093 pic enough small... and typo error it is 571 Yuncheng but same homeport, Fleet.
So 093 # 407 or 408.

But despite the mystery... we are progressing

 

[FORBIN]

Regarding the hump, I am not very convinced that it is demanded by the VLS for cruise missile. In other words, hump or not, long or short humps is not a must for the VLS.

Remember type 032 testbed? It has the cruise/AShM VLS in front of the sail, but there is no protrusion for it under the body for it, the top is flat. And 093 is bigger in diameter than 032.

032 not more wider 10 m as 093 but 2 row of missiles main advantage of the hump allow to host a 3rd row of missiles, look graphic.



Right now 4 classes get VLS :
Los Angeles Flight II, III/688i but no modifications coz they get room behind the sonar for host VLS in more TL on the sides, same for Virginia.
2 Russians more big with double hull in more : Oscar II a monster a lot of room for very big SS-N-19 to 60° on each side of the sail btw 2 hulls and in the new Yasen also a big SSGN with 8 VLS x 4 missiles.

 

[taxiya]

032 not more wider 10 m as 093 but 2 row of missiles main advantage of the hump allow to host a 3rd row of missiles, look graphic.
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Right now 4 classes get VLS :
Los Angeles Flight II, III/688i but no modifications coz they get room behind the sonar for host VLS in more TL on the sides, same for Virginia.
2 Russians more big with double hull in more : Oscar II a monster a lot of room for very big SS-N-19 to 60° on each side of the sail btw 2 hulls and in the new Yasen also a big SSGN with 8 VLS x 4 missiles.

I agree with the 3rd row reasoning. I hope we can see clearer picture in the near future. I guess, since 093A is seen in broad daylight through malacca, 093B shouldn't be a secrete to hide anymore.

 

[antiterror13]

I agree with the 3rd row reasoning. I hope we can see clearer picture in the near future. I guess, since 093A is seen in broad daylight through malacca, 093B shouldn't be a secrete to hide anymore.

I believe it had 3 purposes
* Heyyy, we are having a better SSN ... so watch out
* Show of force that Chinese SSN now can sail anywhere
* Perhaps this is just a mild warning to Indonesia

 

[Hyperwarp]

So am I getting this right? When it comes to 093 series,

1x 093, 1x 093A, 3x (maybe 4x) 093B?

Overall at least 5 maybe 6 093 variants. The 091 stopped after 5 units. I am more more convinced that a 095 is now going through rigorous sea trials right now. Sadly we might have to wait a few years for an official model/pic let alone a photo.

But its also very exciting to see PLAN making leaps and bounds since the ultra noisy 091 and the disappointment of the 093.

 

[FORBIN]

I agree with the 3rd row reasoning. I hope we can see clearer picture in the near future. I guess, since 093A is seen in broad daylight through malacca, 093B shouldn't be a secrete to hide anymore.

He can pass also in the night more discret but in this strait with a depth of only about 50 m max he is obliged to pass in surface too dangerous with many ships.
On caption Shang 409 but it is wrong the 409 is a Jin.

So am I getting this right? When it comes to 093 series,

1x 093, 1x 093A, 3x (maybe 4x) 093B?

Overall at least 5 maybe 6 093 variants. The 091 stopped after 5 units. I am more more convinced that a 095 is now going through rigorous sea trials right now. Sadly we might have to wait a few years for an official model/pic let alone a photo.

But its also very exciting to see PLAN making leaps and bounds since the ultra noisy 091 and the disappointment of the 093.

Yes some say the 2nd is a 093A but according i see right now I think rather this 093A is the 3rd a new, so in this case :
2 x 093
1 x 093A possible in service since 2015, no VLS, normaly more long as 093, more quiet
3 x 093B "former" 093G possible one in service or soon, same as 093A but with a VLS

PLAN making leaps and bounds since the ultra noisy 091

Exact a big step minimum 20 dB from ~ 140 to at less 115/120 impossible with futur generations do it step to step max 5 dB, now a Huan to 140 if he move enough fast definitely can be detected to 200 km or maybe more with a good sonar in general a submarine dépends classes ofc max 50 km some very good submaines less, to tactical speed, depends also conditions temperature, depth, salinity SSN more big less "comfortable" in cosatal seas, AIP better etc... this is the world of depths.

But despite noise Chinese want mainly a versatile platform able to destroy land targets and also use her last supersonic AShM.

 

[antiterror13]

@FORBIN ...Thanks you are very knowledable in many areas, including submarines ... just a simple/humble question whether there is a possibility/benefit to fit AIP module (bigger) for SSN ? .. so during critical time, turn off nuke and fullly on AIP and during normal time to re-charge the AIP

 

[taxiya]

So am I getting this right? When it comes to 093 series,

1x 093, 1x 093A, 3x (maybe 4x) 093B?

Overall at least 5 maybe 6 093 variants. The 091 stopped after 5 units. I am more more convinced that a 095 is now going through rigorous sea trials right now. Sadly we might have to wait a few years for an official model/pic let alone a photo.

But its also very exciting to see PLAN making leaps and bounds since the ultra noisy 091 and the disappointment of the 093.

It is the pattern of PLA we know so far, when a system is out in public, there is a system close to be operational or in the late development phase to be finalized.

How many years? J-10 can be a good reference. Many. But be patient, we know something is there.

 

[taxiya]

Yes some say the 2nd is a 093A but according i see right now I think rather this 093A is the 3rd a new, so in this case :
2 x 093
1 x 093A possible in service since 2015, no VLS, normaly more long as 093, more quiet
3 x 093B "former" 093G possible one in service or soon, same as 093A but with a VLS

I agree with your numbers. In my other post I also pointed out that there are two 093 spotted in Hainan without the curve at the base of the sail. I believe they are the 2 093 basics.