09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[Hyperwarp]

or YJ18,
The tubes are big enough to carry any types of China antiship missiles

Huh? If you want to launch YJ-18 you can send a bunch of 052D which can carry 16x YJ-18 in the forward VLS. 093A, 039A/B all can launch YJ-18 from their torpedo tubes. Heck, even the 039 Song-class can fire YJ-83 from their torpedo tubes (Even the export CM-708UNB has a 290 km range). The PLAN Kilo 636 can launch 3M-54E Kalibr ASCM. 093B can fire YJ-18 from its VLS as well.

So why send a 094A? 094A might be able to fire YJ-18 from the torpedo tubes but not the missile tubes. Those tubes are there to carry JL-2 variants as a nuclear deterrent. Being nuclear deterrents, the job of the 094A is to stay hidden as long as possible. The last thing the crew of a 094A would do is show itself. That does not happen with SSBN of any country unless they got caught.

Besides didn't China strongly deny sending any troops to Syria in the 1st place. Syria has something like 2.5 billion barrels of petroleum reserves -

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. There are others with a lot more. If it was about Iran, that is a different story.

 

[Deino]

They obviously surfaced so people can tell the difference between the two.
094A can be configured as Arsenal sub carrying 12 AshMs.
China is plenty clear in defending Iran, won't sit idle if US forces attack Iran.

Once, trade war started by US against China, China figures it has no more relationship with US, everything is possible. In my other thread I posted China sending 8000 troops to fight for Assad in Syria, securing the oil fields , won't allow them to fall into hands of US backed ISIS.

Can we please at least try to..

- refrain from any stupid political issues in this thread?
- add a source and not only a randomly copied Chinese text out of any context?
- if there were a Type 093 and 094 spotted in the Gulf I really would love to see a source even more. Or are you referring to the images posted above (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pl...r-submarine-thread.t6883/page-191#post-521114) or this one below, then you are dead wrong since these were confirmed NOT taken in the Gulf.



Otherwise: Stick to the topic !

 

[tidalwave]

Huh? If you want to launch YJ-18 you can send a bunch of 052D which can carry 16x YJ-18 in the forward VLS. 093A, 039A/B all can launch YJ-18 from their torpedo tubes. Heck, even the 039 Song-class can fire YJ-83 from their torpedo tubes (Even the export CM-708UNB has a 290 km range). The PLAN Kilo 636 can launch 3M-54E Kalibr ASCM. 093B can fire YJ-18 from its VLS as well.

So why send a 094A? 094A might be able to fire YJ-18 from the torpedo tubes but not the missile tubes. Those tubes are there to carry JL-2 variants as a nuclear deterrent. Being nuclear deterrents, the job of the 094A is to stay hidden as long as possible. The last thing the crew of a 094A would do is show itself. That does not happen with SSBN of any country unless they got caught.

Besides didn't China strongly deny sending any troops to Syria in the 1st place. Syria has something like 2.5 billion barrels of petroleum reserves -

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. There are others with a lot more. If it was about Iran, that is a different story.

From a concept POV, 094A can be a nuke deterrent or used as conventional SSGN. It's VLS firing is more efficient than torpedo launch and it has more tubes than 093B.
It can get close to opponent before firing than surface ships. Surface ships can be spotted way far ahead.

 

[Hyperwarp]

From a concept POV, 094A can be a nuke deterrent or used as conventional SSGN. It's VLS firing is more efficient than torpedo launch and it has more tubes than 093B.
It can get close to opponent before firing than surface ships. Surface ships can be spotted way far ahead.

So according to you, the 094A is like an Ohio class SSGN (post-conversion)?

Ok, I am completely lost.

 

[tidalwave]

So according to you, the 094A is like an Ohio class SSGN (post-conversion)?

Ok, I am completely lost.

Not that much work, try to have more tomahawks squeezed into each tube.
Can have multiple adaptable plugin launch modules in each big tube.

 

[Hyperwarp]

The sub the Japanese navy detected seems to be the 093B1 according to that list?
Any comments?

 

[Tam]

It just might be.

Also I think the Type 093 in the satellite images that appeared to have an open hatch on the back and dotted line sink holes might be the middle one (093B).

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Via LKj86

Baidu Translate:
Conventional submarine Type 039C has entered the comprehensive project stage in 2011, the progress of this type of submarine is enormous, the preliminary research work is very solid.
The design of the nuclear-powered attack submarine Type 09IIIB is around 2011-2012. The high-level expectations for this type of submarine are very high.
Type 09IIIB is very different from the past, for example, it can carry vertical anti-ship cruise missiles and land attack cruise missiles, achieve three-in-one network and central computer control, in the degree of information, combat capability and noise reduction level have been a step up.

 

[Interstellar]

As I have mentioned several times, none of the submarines we have seen so far is 09IIIB.

 

[Hyperwarp]

As I have mentioned several times, none of the submarines we have seen so far is 09IIIB.

Forgive me, but is this you? -

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I often noticed this member stated that all the photos we've seen so far are of 093A variants and the 093B has not been seen.