09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[jobjed]

Perhaps, Japanese government decided to let China know its brand new sub type 093B is already obsolete, and to give humiliation to China. This could be a reasonable decision as a Cost-Imposing Strategy. China was forced to spend huge budget to improve its submarines.

Even we know that already. The 09III family is not an impressive piece of hardware by 2018 premiere standards. Koda's statement sounds less like an intelligence leak and more of a publicity stunt.

Perhaps, Koda knew PLAN was overconfident on acoustics of type 093B.

Yeah, and Xi Jinping has the blueprints to the entirety of the Asahi-class. Use your critical thinking and start evaluating the likelihood of your propositions.

 

[SARB033]

Even we know that already. The 09III family is not an impressive piece of hardware by 2018 premiere standards.

Do you have any source that it's already known that acoustics of type 093B is already obsolete?

 

[manqiangrexue]

Perhaps, Japanese government decided to let China know its brand new sub type 093B is already obsolete, and to give humiliation to China. This could be a reasonable decision as a Cost-Imposing Strategy. China was forced to spend huge budget to improve its submarines.

Perhaps that is very stupid and it would be best to let your opponent find out his weaknesses in war. There's a reason that countries don't have "Come test your aircraft against my radars; results available online in 24 hours" stations.

Perhaps, Koda knew PLAN was overconfident on acoustics of type 093B.

Uh huh, that requires that he knew the mission of this sub and what risk level the PLAN had assigned to the probability of detection. He'd be exposing active Japanese spies. Do you really think so or do you think he probably just made the general assumption that "usually, a submerged sub doesn't mean to be detected so if they were, they were probably not happy about it/surprised"?

I bet we're analyzing a statement that he said without even thinking about.

 

[jobjed]

Do you have any source that it's already known that acoustics of type 093B is already obsolete?

I said it's not impressive, not that it's obsolete. Likewise, the Type 052B isn't very impressive but neither is it obsolete.

 

[duncanidaho]

Perhaps, Japanese government decided to let China know its brand new sub type 093B is already obsolete, and to give humiliation to China. This could be a reasonable decision as a Cost-Imposing Strategy. China was forced to spend huge budget to improve its submarines.

Perhaps, Koda knew PLAN was overconfident on acoustics of type 093B.

That's not the point !
If he got his classified information about "(the fact that the sub was continuously monitored and chased by JMSDF) gave strong shock to Chinese Navy" from the japanese intelligence service and he makes public comment about it, then he is comporomising the japanese intelligence service.
With this public statement, he is saying, the japanese intelligence service has mole spies at the highest level in the Chinese Navy.

That is not giving humiliation to China, that is just plain stupid.

 

[SARB033]

I said it's not impressive, not that it's obsolete.

In Chinese language Wikipedia,
2016年9月，媒体报道：“中国对于093B型攻击性巡航导弹核潜艇是很紧迫的，为了发展远洋海军，应付周边国家潜艇的水下威胁，也为了尽快弥补水下攻击战斗力的缺憾，中国海军很可能要一个批次建造12艘093B。”

Google translate:
In September 2016, the media reported: "China is pressing for the 093B offensive cruise missile submarine. In order to develop the ocean-going navy and cope with the submarine's underwater threats in the neighboring countries, and in order to make up for the shortcomings of the underwater attack and combat capability as soon as possible, the Chinese navy It is likely to build 12 093B batches in a single batch. "

This suggests, China was confident and satisfied acoustics of type 093B.

 

[jobjed]

In Chinese language Wikipedia,
2016年9月，媒体报道：“中国对于093B型攻击性巡航导弹核潜艇是很紧迫的，为了发展远洋海军，应付周边国家潜艇的水下威胁，也为了尽快弥补水下攻击战斗力的缺憾，中国海军很可能要一个批次建造12艘093B。”

Google translate:
In September 2016, the media reported: "China is pressing for the 093B offensive cruise missile submarine. In order to develop the ocean-going navy and cope with the submarine's underwater threats in the neighboring countries, and in order to make up for the shortcomings of the underwater attack and combat capability as soon as possible, the Chinese navy It is likely to build 12 093B batches in a single batch. "

This suggests, China was confident and satisfied acoustics of type 093B.

Satisfaction != impressive. China was satisfied with the Type 051 too in the 1990s, doesn't make it impressive.

Also, I have serious doubts about the claim for 12 09IIIBs. I don't think China even has that many nuclear submarines of all types combined.

 

[AeroEngineer]

The same reason for the 051C and 052C.

China was satisfied with 052C and to a less degree 051C but it never went on to mass produce them. Instead it was the 052D and most recently the highly advanced and power 055 that went into mass production !

 

[SARB033]

Also, I have serious doubts about the claim for 12 09IIIBs. I don't think China even has that many nuclear submarines of all types combined.

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" Meanwhile, Shang II production appears to have stopped for now at four. "

Perhaps, Chinese Navy knows type 093B is already obsolete.

 

[Jiang ZeminFanboy]

Perhaps, Japanese government decided to let China know its brand new sub type 093B is already obsolete, and to give humiliation to China. This could be a reasonable decision as a Cost-Imposing Strategy. China was forced to spend huge budget to improve its submarines.

China doesn't have to spend huge money to improve design, because she has already done it, with new design sub the Type 095.

The Chinese Virginia submarine(095) mass production if not started last year, it will definitely start this year.

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-095-096-nuclear-submarine-thread.t8228/