071 LPD thread

Spartan95

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The US LCAC has a 200 mile range, and it would be silly for the Chinese equivalent to not have considered the Taiwan requirements when designed.

I would say it is extremely likely that the Chinese LCAC would be able to cross the strait themselves without the need of a mothership.

LCAC crossing the Taiwan Straits on its own is indeed doable. However, carrying MBTs from the nearest loading point (likely to be an established base and from any point on the coast), forming up with other vessels (including escorts) and proceeding to the landing point is an entirely different matter. Even if the LCAC itself has the fuel capacity to do this 1 way, does it have enough fuel to make it back without refuelling?

There is also the issue of time. Such an endeavour is likely to take at least half a day (loading, forming up, and unloading). Is the MBT crew supposed to sit in the MBT on an LCAC for that entire duration? What are they going to do for food and water? Are other LCACs going to be carrying supplies (food, water, fuel, ammo, etc) all the way from PRC to support these heavy vehicles?

Besides, Taiwan's army is hopelessly outclassed by the PLA and even Taiwan's own generals acknowledges that its game over as soon as the PLA get ashore in any significant numbers. Which is one of the reasons why they have spent so very little arming the army.

The reasons why PRC places higher priority on the modernisation on the PLAN and PLAAF are more strategic from what I have read.

In the modern history of the PRC and PLA, the Army has traditionally received the lion's share of the defence budget up until the 90s. During the Cold War, this was justified based on the large tracts of disputed borders and tensions with its neighbours (in particular, the risk of a war with USSR). This has changed in recent years as quite a few disputed land borders have been resolved and the possibility of a large land war decreased (especially after USSR disintegrated).

The priority for PLAN is now necessary due to the economic trade that is largely sea-borne (import of raw materials and energy and export of manufactured goods) and the various maritime disputes that remain unresolved. Some analysts say the emphasis on the PLAN is also due to inability of PLAN to mount any response to US CBGs when they came in during the Taiwan Strait Crisis in the mid-90s.

They are still relying on M60s as their best MBT for crying out loud.

The latest RPGs can probably take those things out, not to mention the dedicated anti-tank missiles the PLA employs on a massive scale.

Latest anti-tank missiles can take out just about any MBT in the world (as demonstrated during the 2nd Lebanon War), not just old M60s. Thus, when an MBT attempts to land, that's that best time to take it out since it is exposed on the beach. Don't need MBTs to do that.
 

no_name

Colonel
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

It's useful for south china sea. With ships like these china may not even have to build more bases.
 

cn_habs

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I have to agree that the 071 is not meant for the Taiwan scenario. Especially considering that it is likely neither side will have clear air or naval superiority early on, a Chinese landing force is more likely to survive crossing the straits by being spread across lots of smaller vessels than if they're concentrated on several 071s.

The 071 is much more useful either in OOTW, or as the provider of amphibious force in a small battle group in low intensity island disputes.

Are you serious? Once the PLAN subs come out, the Taiwanese navy will be a non factor. Most Taiwanese airbases would be hit by DF missiles too.
 

pugachev_diver

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Are you serious? Once the PLAN subs come out, the Taiwanese navy will be a non factor. Most Taiwanese airbases would be hit by DF missiles too.

I think missiles would be more effective and get the job done quicker. Submarines would have to move out and track the ships. They have to physically sail around to sink ships, which take a long time. Missiles take minutes, if not seconds when it's launched from the shore.
 

MwRYum

Major
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

071 Class LPD definitely do more than aiming at Taiwan (Taiwan becomes a lesser goal now, though nobody would admit it openly, of course), compare with LSTs it offers superior platform with LCACs, helicopters and AAVs. Even not use in war it'd still serve well in "softer" power projection scenarios like disaster relief effort, something that China can afford to do so nowadays, and with major active seismic activity zones just outside, LPD could do well in this.

I think missiles would be more effective and get the job done quicker. Submarines would have to move out and track the ships. They have to physically sail around to sink ships, which take a long time. Missiles take minutes, if not seconds when it's launched from the shore.

Never discount the flexibility benefit from a sea platform, especially an underwater one, and the advantage of sea platform is one of the first hard and bloody lessons China learned more than 150 years ago.

It's useful for south china sea. With ships like these china may not even have to build more bases.

No they still need more bases, so to deploy more rapidly, have a shorter supply and support chain.
 
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Spartan95

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

071 Class LPD definitely do more than aiming at Taiwan (Taiwan becomes a lesser goal now, though nobody would admit it openly, of course), compare with LSTs it offers superior platform with LCACs, helicopters and AAVs. Even not use in war it'd still serve well in "softer" power projection scenarios like disaster relief effort, something that China can afford to do so nowadays, and with major active seismic activity zones just outside, LPD could do well in this.

LPD has many uses and it definitely has applications beyond RoC. Just look at what it is doing in the Gulf of Aden as well as showing the flag along the way there and back. Having such a large, advanced and indigenously designed and built warship goes a long way for national power.

As for RoC being a lesser goal, I very much doubt that. It is a core interest of PRC. And has been continuously stressed as such, particularly in relation to the US arms sales package.
 

no_name

Colonel
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Apparently the third LPD, bow seems to be different:

0711o.jpg

0712w.jpg
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

In some other forums there's a debate about that bow because it looks like a tanker too.
 

Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Are those two pictures of the same place, or different modules in different shipyards altogether?
 
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