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Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

The First Zubr Class LCAC Hovercraft Is Almost Ready For China


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Wow, they have been talking about this for what? Almost ten years or so. Finally good to see some actual movement on it. Are they still building 6 to 8 of these? And if so, how long will the others take?
 

asif iqbal

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

I know it seems like this deal has been going on since Soviet times! Is the order really for 10 of these class?

Each one can carry up to 500 marines, it means 4 such craft can transport 2,000 marines at nearly 70 mph to a range of 300 miles!

It's so fast so large and has good range, these are a great choice for China for when they need a rapid response to a island nearby and need to deploy tanks or amphibious vehicles or cargo these crafts can do the lot and lift a lot, thats why Greece also brought them to provide a defence for all the small island chains they need to protect

Chinese marines are getting very sophisticated by the day!
 

Lion

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THey are ordered long time ago when Cross strait of Taiwan tension is still high? Now the relationship between ROC and PRC are good. I doubt they are any use to PLAN except Cross strait scenario.. But PRC always honour any contract signed even its 10 years ago.
 

rhino123

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THey are ordered long time ago when Cross strait of Taiwan tension is still high? Now the relationship between ROC and PRC are good. I doubt they are any use to PLAN except Cross strait scenario.. But PRC always honour any contract signed even its 10 years ago.

Actually this systems are still valid even if Cross strait relationship is good. the PRC still had quite a number of disputable islands against different nations.
 

Lion

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Actually this systems are still valid even if Cross strait relationship is good. the PRC still had quite a number of disputable islands against different nations.

Zubr is useless for Nansha battle.. Its too far away. Sea of Japan is big. Zubr is uselss too. Even the dispute area with Philippine is also few hundred miles or more than a thousand. Zubr is uselss again.

The only suitable place is Strait of Taiwan.
 

cn_habs

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Zubr is useless for Nansha battle.. Its too far away. Sea of Japan is big. Zubr is uselss too. Even the dispute area with Philippine is also few hundred miles or more than a thousand. Zubr is uselss again.

The only suitable place is Strait of Taiwan.

If the Zubr leaves from the Southern coast of Hainan islands, its 480 km range assuming a speed of 55 knots can theoretically allow it to get to Paracel Islands. Also, wouldn't reducing the speed extend its range to over 500 km?
 
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asif iqbal

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

Important thing is that Zubr class can transport tanks, amphibious vehicles and infantry, Zubr brings the capability to deploy these assets in fast speed in short time which until now is not really available to China

Their current indigenous hovercafts can't deploy tanks and Type 071 LPD is not as fast as Zubr so this brings extra capabilities to Chinese marines to make a fast deployment close by

China has hundreds of landing crafts and roll on and roll off ships if they want to send entire divisions to Taiwan they can, things like Type 071 are for really oversea far away deployment to protect Ever increasing Chinese interests, this why Type 071 has like a 11,000 km range and ability to sustain itself at sea because chances are that's where it will be deployed for, under these situations they won't need to send more than 1500-2000 marines so 3 x Type 071 LPD are enough

But in the long term I think China should be able to lift all its 12,000 marines by LPD and LHD, which calls for 15 such vessels, maybe 9-12 x Type 071 LPD and 3-6 x LHDs but that is probably pushing things I guess

Main thing is Zubr is getting ready all good news for China!
 

Lion

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

If the Zubr leaves from the Southern coast of Hainan islands, its 480 km range assuming a speed of 55 knots can theoretically allow it to get to Paracel Islands. Also, wouldn't reducing the speed extend its range to over 500 km?

Are you sure its so short away from Hainan Island?
 

plawolf

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re: PLAN Type 071 LPD & its Landing Craft

China (or any nation for that matter) will never need the capacity to deploy all of it's marines in one go because not all of those marines would be available for deployment all at once.

In addition, I can see the PLAN being more interested in LHDs than LPDs in the long run, and this is an area where I can easily see the PLAN diverging greatly from the US model.

Firstly, unlike the US, China has no reason to need to deploy so many marines so far from home. They do not need to come to Europe's aid to help fight off the Soviet Red Army, and they do not try to be the world's policeman, so no amphibious invasions of Iraq or Afghanistan.

The main reason China is pursuing LPDs is the old adage about better being prepared in having something and not need it rather than getting caught out needing something and not having it. As such, I do not see them needing or wanting anything like as many LPDs as you are suggesting. I would say that between 4 and 6 would be the most I expect the PLAN to have at any one time unless something drastic happens to change that equation.

I do, however, see the PLAN being quite keen on LHDs once they become available, or maybe more precisely, once China has a decent medium weight helo that would make such vessels worthwhile to have for the PLAN.

LHDs would be a lot more flexible for the PLAN, as they would be able to deploy naval Z10s on them, and thus could be used almost like mini aircraft carriers in the same manner as the US Wasp class, only without fixed wing aviation.

Such LHPs would be a lot more practical to deploy to any trouble spots in the SCS or Africa, both in terms of military assets for evacuation or strike purposes, but also for humanitarian relief missions.

Firstly, the PLAN is not going to have anything like as many carriers as the USN, that means that the PLAN would not likely deploy their carriers like the USN does. I can see a minimum or 3 carriers with two being kept close to home waters at all times and one carrier off on patrol somewhere. To help cover the limited carrier numbers, I can see the PLAN deploying lots of LHDs as the flagships for small action groups to maintain a presence in more areas of interest.

I can see the LPDs being mainly kept near China's coast, along with the Liaoning and any future carrier battle groups while LHDs might serve as first responders with small battle groups on 2-4 FFGs and DDGs as escorts. Any such response group would be able to easily handle small crisis like evacuating nationals or limited strikes on anti-government forces or pirates/terrorists as well as provide humanitarian assistance to natural disasters.

If something big happens, that is where the real carriers would come in, and having the LPDs near home would also allow the PLAN the option of loading up a substantial ground element to go with the carriers if so desired.

Based on all of that, I can easily see the PLAN getting just as many LHDs as LPDs, if not more LHDs. So I can see a future fleet of many 4-6 LPDs and maybe another 4-8 LHDs max for the PLAN.
 
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