071 LPD thread

[tphuang]

Re: Type 071 LPD

alright, more close up views of the type 71 LPD

 

[bd popeye]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Great now that the ship is afloat that we get all the pictures. It just seems like a few weeks ago some of us were disputing wether the PLAN was actually building this ship..myself included.

ff On a side note my sister who knows nothing about the USN sent me apicture of LPD-17 claiming it was the USS New York(LPD-21). I explained to her what the real deal wasff

Imaninge the talk if those were pictures of a PLAN CV or LPH they had built secrectly??..I sound like BLUEJACKET!!!.. We would need more bandwidth!

 

[planeman]

Re: Type 071 LPD

ANOTHER WE'VE HAD WRONG: There are indeed 4 x 30mm AK-630 (or like) CIWS!!!!!! The second pair are mounted just foward of the funnels and are less obvious to the eye than the MRLS which are further forward:

 

[planeman]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Re air-cushion vehicles that it will carry, is there any indication that the Chinese will follow the Swedes' lead into stealth hovercraft?

Maybe we should have a design contest re the hovercraft it might carry - constraints based on width/height of the rear door of the Type-071?

 

[tphuang]

Re: Type 071 LPD

well, more up close image

 

[adeptitus]

Re: Type 071 LPD

I'm curious about the cost difference between a Type 730 and the AK-630 CIWS gun? If the Type 730 CIWS is domestically produced it should have a lower cost base vs. imports. Could be cost savings with using AK-630's be that big?

And if you're going to use imports, why AK-630/AO-18? This is a large ship and should be able to handle Kashtan or Palma system. CIWS guns should be used as the LAST RESORT to interceptions these days. You should have some SAM's for the first layer defense.

 

[tphuang]

Re: Type 071 LPD

I'm curious about the cost difference between a Type 730 and the AK-630 CIWS gun? If the Type 730 CIWS is domestically produced it should have a lower cost base vs. imports. Could be cost savings with using AK-630's be that big?

And if you're going to use imports, why AK-630/AO-18? This is a large ship and should be able to handle Kashtan or Palma system. CIWS guns should be used as the LAST RESORT to interceptions these days. You should have some SAM's for the first layer defense.

I believe AK-630 is already localized and the cost of Type 730 is actually less than two AK-630 according to some of the people on Chinese forum. Could the issue be weight and deck space? Not saying that 071 doesn't have enough space, but they might be trying squeeze in more space for carrying troops? Just a guess, anyhow, more 071 picture from today.

more thanks to desperado from CDF

 

[Sczepan]

Re: Type 071 LPD

reportet by german "MARINEFORUM":

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CHINA

Bei Hudong-Zhonghua in Shanghai ist das erste Docklandungsschiff der chinesischen Marine vom Stapel gelaufen.

Vor etwas mehr als zwei Jahren tauchten erste Fotos eines Modells dieses als Projekt 071 bezeichneten Schiffes im Internet auf. Damals war zunächst noch über einen Bau in Dalian spekuliert worden. Als dann bei Hudong erste Segmente auf einer Helling auftauchten, gingen die Diskussionen hin und her, ob es sich tatsächlich um das angeblich beabsichtigte Docklandungsschiff oder einen zivilen Neubau handelte. Diese Spekulationen sind nun nachhaltig beseitigt, auch wenn zahlreiche technische Daten und Detailangaben zum Neubau vorerst noch im Dunkeln bleiben.

Optisch gleicht das neue Schiff, für das derzeit die Namen WU DENG und YUZHAO im Gespräch sind, ein wenig der SAN ANTONIO-Klasse der US-Navy, scheint aber deutlich kleiner zu sein als dieses. Größenangaben schwanken zwischen 12.000 t und 17.000 t.

Erste Fotos lassen als Bewaffnung zunächst ein größeres (vmtl. 100-mm) Geschütz auf dem Vorschiff sowie zwei Nachbereichs-Flugabwehrkanonen (AK-730 ?) auf dem achteren Hubschrauberhangar erkennen. Wahrscheinlich ist für das Schiff aber auch ein Flugabwehr-FK-System vorgesehen (das Modell zeigt HHQ-7). Die noch abzuwartende Einrüstung von Radar- und Feuerleitgeräten dürfte hier Aufschluss geben.

Neben Hubschraubern wird das Docklandungsschiff sich auch Luftkissenboote (LCAC) an Bord nehmen. Im Modell sind acht Boote eines unbekannten Typs erkennbar. Welche LCAC für Projekt 071 vorgesehen sind, bleibt abzuwarten. Spekulationen gehen derzeit offenbar in Richtung einer Variante der russischen LEBED-Klasse oder ähnlich kleine Eigenbauten. Große LCAC wie die der US-Navy oder gar die russische POMORNIK werden im Dockteil kaum Platz finden.

Das neue Docklandungsschiff wurde in sehr kurzer Zeit gebaut. Fotos erster Segmente tauchten erst im Sommer dieses Jahres im Internet auf. Man darf daher wohl von großem Interesse an einem möglichst schnellen (öffentlichkeitswirksamen) Stapellauf ausgehen, und die Endausrüstung bis hin zur Erprobung dürfte sicher noch einige Zeit dauern.

Ob weitere Schiffe dieses Typs geplant sind, ist zur Zeit völlig offen. Sicher aber würden bisher nicht im Bestand befindliche Docklandungsschiffe eine wesentliche Fähigkeitslücke bei der PLAN schließen, die sich in den letzten Jahren mit sichtlich hoher Priorität um den Ausbau ihrer amphibischen Komponente bemüht hat.

some facts i didn't know before:
12.000 to 17.000 ts
air defence HHQ-7 possible?
8 Hovercrafts (LEBED / derivate or simillar indegenious possible?)

 

[mehdi]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Oops I dnt UNDERSTAND GERMAN can someone translate this !!!

Hmm since when germans are interested in China's military !!!

 

[Sczepan]

Re: Type 071 LPD

Oops I dnt UNDERSTAND GERMAN can someone translate this !!!

Babelfish translation:

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With Hudong Zhonghua in Shanghai the first dock landing ship of the Chinese navy ran from the pile. Before somewhat more than two years first photos of a model of this than project 071 emerged marked ship in the InterNet. At that time first still upon a building in Dalian one had speculated. When then with Hudong first segments on a mounting jig emerged, the discussions went back and forth whether it actually concerned the allegedly intended dock landing ship or a civilian new building. These speculations are now lastingly eliminated, even if numerous technical data and detail data remain for the time being to the new building still in the dark. Optically the new ship, for which the names are WU DENG and YUZHAO at present in the discussion, resembles little the SAN ANTONIO class of the US Navy, seems however to be clearly smaller than this. Statements of size vary between 12.000 t and 17,000 t. First photos leave a larger (vmtl. 100-mm) cannon on the foredeck as well as two Nachbereichs Flugabwehrkanonen (AK-730?) (= two "near by anti aircraft gats") as armament first recognize on the achteren hubschrauberhangar (= backward helo hangar) . Probably is intended for the ship in addition, an air defense fiber plastic ("FK-System = Flugkörper-System - means rockets) system (the model shows HHQ-7). Scaffolding of radar and fire-control equipment, still which can be waited for, might give information here. Beside helicopters the dock landing ship will take itself also hovercrafts (LCAC) on board. In the model eight boats of an unknown type are recognizable. Which LCAC for project 071 is intended, remains being waiting. Speculations at present obviously go toward a variant of the Russian living OD class or similarly small self-'s buildings. Large LCAC like those the US Navy or the Russian POMORNIK will in dock-hurry hardly place to find. The new dock landing ship was built in very short time. Photos of first segments emerged only in the summer of this yearly in the InterNet. One may probably proceed therefore from large interest in as fast (public-effective) a launching of a vessel as possible, and the final equipment up to testing might surely still last some time. Whether further ships of this type are planned, is at present completely open. Surely however in the existence dock landing ships present would so far not close a substantial ability gap with the PLAN, which strove in the last years with obviously high priority around the development of its amphibious component.

Hmm since when germans are interested in China's military !!!

hmm - let me think about it - since Nov. 01, 1897 ?

since 26./27 Sept. 1914 ?? (defending Tsingtau against japanese and british forces) ?

no, I think since we become good friends