055 Large Destroyer Thread II

[FairAndUnbiased]

Today I saw a thread on a Taiwan's BBS said that 055 seems have too wide passage and nearly no exposed pipes on both sides of the passage.
They listed the different case inside Arleigh Burke and some responses questioning the damage control of 055 based on that point.
Let‘s forget the deliberate demeaning that comes from hostility，seriously，what do you guys think of this?

Exposed pipe means poor design because it means that shrapnel or accidental equipment crashes such as during rough seas or sharp battle maneuver can damage pipes.

Small interiors means poor design because there can be bottlenecks for equipment transport, poor crew morale due to overcrowding and inefficiencies due to not enough space for moving tools around.

How can small rooms with exposed pipe be good design? It is like saying why do office buildings have large hallways and ceilings, we can cut costs by just having exposed ceilings and putting more work desks in the walkways. What could possibly go wrong?

Interior design is critical.

055:

AB:

 

[ficker22]

What's the missile at the bottom of the top left box?

The new AShBM

 

[CMP]

Today I saw a thread on a Taiwan's BBS said that 055 seems have too wide passage and nearly no exposed pipes on both sides of the passage.
They listed the different case inside Arleigh Burke and some responses questioning the damage control of 055 based on that point.
Let‘s forget the deliberate demeaning that comes from hostility，seriously，what do you guys think of this?

Did anyone openly correct their uninformed opinions?

 

[Rank Amateur]

Today I saw a thread on a Taiwan's BBS said that 055 seems have too wide passage and nearly no exposed pipes on both sides of the passage.
They listed the different case inside Arleigh Burke and some responses questioning the damage control of 055 based on that point.
Let‘s forget the deliberate demeaning that comes from hostility，seriously，what do you guys think of this?

Exposed pipe means poor design because it means that shrapnel or accidental equipment crashes such as during rough seas or sharp battle maneuver can damage pipes.

Small interiors means poor design because there can be bottlenecks for equipment transport, poor crew morale due to overcrowding and inefficiencies due to not enough space for moving tools around.

How can small rooms with exposed pipe be good design? It is like saying why do office buildings have large hallways and ceilings, we can cut costs by just having exposed ceilings and putting more work desks in the walkways. What could possibly go wrong?

Interior design is critical.

055:

AB:

I don't know what @mangchaocs means by "too wide passage," but on the "exposed pipes" issue, I think both @FairAndUnbiased and the Taiwanese-forum critics might be incorrect. I remember reading a post or two here quite a while ago (perhaps by @bd popeye) saying that ceiling panels on warships should be avoided because they enable the accumulation of dust, which poses an explosion/combustion hazard. If so, then @FairAndUnbiased is mistaken in asserting that it's better to cover up pipes, wiring, etc. running along the ceiling.

But the Taiwanese-forum critics are wrong too, because interior pics of the 055 show exposed ceilings throughout the ship, including the bridge. Even the pic of 055 crew's quarters posted by @FairAndUnbiased shows an absence of ceiling panels, with visible piping etc. (I'm a bit uneasy that the wiring along the wall isn't in metal conduit, though.) The conference room pic, on the other hand, does show ceiling panels, but perhaps an exception was made there because of the more formal nature of that area.

 

[plawolf]

Today I saw a thread on a Taiwan's BBS said that 055 seems have too wide passage and nearly no exposed pipes on both sides of the passage.
They listed the different case inside Arleigh Burke and some responses questioning the damage control of 055 based on that point.
Let‘s forget the deliberate demeaning that comes from hostility，seriously，what do you guys think of this?

The theory is that with panelled off wiring, fires can develop and spread rapidly and far behind the panels without the crew noticing. Lint being trapped in the panels could also create an ignition and fire hazard.

With pipes, the main concern is with corrosion and leaks being hard to spot and localise.

But those issues are largely legacy, and there are off the shelf solutions to remotely monitor those panelled off spaces, with automatic fire suppression installed as well in those areas.

There are secondary concerns about ease of access for battle damage repairs, but to be frank, with modern warships and the vast nest of wiring that runs through them, if you need to do battlefield rewiring, you are already fucked. Since your warship should have multiple redundant, distributed wiring to ensure a single or even multiple hits should not easily take out key power and communications systems. So if your ship has taken enough damage to overcome those redundancies, you are probably in abandon ship territory and not let’s do massively complex rewiring while under fire territory

 

[mangchaocs]

Did anyone openly correct their uninformed opinions?

I see a few guys keep doing the correction, but I‘d given up for long.
You can't expect anyone to be objective about anything form your side when they are highly ideologically hostile to you.Even we were talking about 055……

I don't know what @mangchaocs means by "too wide passage," but on the "exposed pipes" issue, I think both @FairAndUnbiased and the Taiwanese-forum critics might be incorrect. I remember reading a post or two here quite a while ago (perhaps by @bd popeye) saying that ceiling panels on warships should be avoided because they enable the accumulation of dust, which poses an explosion/combustion hazard. If so, then @FairAndUnbiased is mistaken in asserting that it's better to cover up pipes, wiring, etc. running along the ceiling.

But the Taiwanese-forum critics are wrong too, because interior pics of the 055 show exposed ceilings throughout the ship, including the bridge. Even the pic of 055 crew's quarters posted by @FairAndUnbiased shows an absence of ceiling panels, with visible piping etc. (I'm a bit uneasy that the wiring along the wall isn't in metal conduit, though.) The conference room pic, on the other hand, does show ceiling panels, but perhaps an exception was made there because of the more formal nature of that area.

They compared 2 ship's passage or let me say corridor based on following 2 vids

 

[pevade]

What's the missile at the bottom of the top left box?

Anti ship ballistic missile. I forgot the designation.

 

[ficker22]

Anti ship ballistic missile. I forgot the designation.

Was it YJ-21?

 

[Tiger1125]

Today I saw a thread on a Taiwan's BBS said that 055 seems have too wide passage and nearly no exposed pipes on both sides of the passage.
They listed the different case inside Arleigh Burke and some responses questioning the damage control of 055 based on that point.
Let‘s forget the deliberate demeaning that comes from hostility，seriously，what do you guys think of this?

The theory is that with panelled off wiring, fires can develop and spread rapidly and far behind the panels without the crew noticing. Lint being trapped in the panels could also create an ignition and fire hazard.

With pipes, the main concern is with corrosion and leaks being hard to spot and localise.

But those issues are largely legacy, and there are off the shelf solutions to remotely monitor those panelled off spaces, with automatic fire suppression installed as well in those areas.

There are secondary concerns about ease of access for battle damage repairs, but to be frank, with modern warships and the vast nest of wiring that runs through them, if you need to do battlefield rewiring, you are already fucked. Since your warship should have multiple redundant, distributed wiring to ensure a single or even multiple hits should not easily take out key power and communications systems. So if your ship has taken enough damage to overcome those redundancies, you are probably in abandon ship territory and not let’s do massively complex rewiring while under fire territory

Pretty much everything plawolf said is on point from my knowledge, no paneling makes it easier to make repairs on wires/pipes and do emergency cable runs. I'll add to it by saying that another obvious reason for wiring/pipes being generally exposed on a warship is because of the fact that it would be a waste of money to put paneling everywhere on the ship. So generally only cabins and special rooms ABOVE WATER LINE will have paneling installed whereas anything BELOW WATER LEVEL/LINE is kept basic and practical. Therefore as long as the rooms below the water line in the 055 don't have panels everywhere covering the wiring/pipes and only rooms above the water line do have paneling, it's fine and normal.

Exposed pipe means poor design because it means that shrapnel or accidental equipment crashes such as during rough seas or sharp battle maneuver can damage pipes.

This is generally a non-issue since whenever the ship is set to sail they have to make sure everything is secured for sea and tied down beforehand so things don't go flying everywhere during rough seas or any rough movement in general.

 

[Tiger1125]

Pretty much everything plawolf said is on point from my knowledge, no paneling makes it easier to make repairs on wires/pipes and do emergency cable runs. I'll add to it by saying that another obvious reason for wiring/pipes being generally exposed on a warship is because of the fact that it would be a waste of money to put paneling everywhere on the ship. So generally only cabins and special rooms ABOVE WATER LINE will have paneling installed whereas anything BELOW WATER LEVEL/LINE is kept basic and practical. Therefore as long as the rooms below the water line in the 055 don't have panels everywhere covering the wiring/pipes and only rooms above the water line do have paneling, it's fine and normal.


This is generally a non-issue since whenever the ship is set to sail they have to make sure everything is secured for sea and tied down beforehand so things don't go flying everywhere during rough seas or any rough movement in general.

Oh and forgot to add that plawolf was also right in saying that if you have to do rewiring mid-battle in a modern day naval conflict, you're already in trouble. If my information is correct, the exposed wires and pipes are mainly a thing that's carried over from the olden days when battleships were still around and they used cannons (which were much less destructive) instead of modern missiles so it was definitely much more practical to not use paneling back then.