055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Austin Powers

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Just remember what happened in the Russian-Japanese war. The IJN does not have the resources to defeat the Russian Navy at the home waters of the Russian Navy. It only needs to defeat the Russians near its home waters and that's what they did.

Russian navy has always been weak. Japanese navy was vastly superior in the Russia Japan war both in terms of numbers of ships and technology of the ships. Japanese ships had far better optics than Russian ships had and this enabled Japanese ships to hit Russian ships well before the latter can get into range to use their optics.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Good read on type 55 from U.S. Naval War College U.S. Naval War College Digital Commons CMSI China Maritime Reports author include Lyle Goldstein
China Maritime Repor China Maritime Report No. 5: China t No. 5: China's Dreadnought? The PLA dreadnought? The PLA Navy's Type 055 Cruiser and Its Implications for the F ype 055 Cruiser and Its Implications for the Future Maritime Security Environment Daniel Caldwell Joseph Freda Lyle J. Goldstein


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Tam

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Good read on type 55 from U.S. Naval War College U.S. Naval War College Digital Commons CMSI China Maritime Reports author include Lyle Goldstein
China Maritime Repor China Maritime Report No. 5: China t No. 5: China's Dreadnought? The PLA dreadnought? The PLA Navy's Type 055 Cruiser and Its Implications for the F ype 055 Cruiser and Its Implications for the Future Maritime Security Environment Daniel Caldwell Joseph Freda Lyle J. Goldstein


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Its a good read but nothing original. The words to describe it is 'bland' and 'safe'. The use of fan created illustrations also mar the report.
 

Andy1974

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Could future versions of the Type 055 have anti-ship ballistic missiles? If so, could this make up for China’s lack of high quality SSNs?
 

Blitzo

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I've moved various posts to here.

Continue discussions about future doctrine and future orbat over there please.

 

Dante80

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Could future versions of the Type 055 have anti-ship ballistic missiles? If so, could this make up for China’s lack of high quality SSNs?

Generally speaking, ships tend to not utilize ballistic weaponry. The reason for this is that ballistic weapon launches instantly give away the precise location of the carrier (see SBIRS, Oko/EKS etc).

A bomber (like the H-6N) can quickly move away. A SSBN does not care if it is revealed (the whole idea is to stay hidden BEFORE the launch). A surface combatant though is another matter altogether.
 
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Totoro

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Thermal signature of a HQ-9 may not be that much different from a thermal signature of a ballistic missile of similar size. After all, HQ-9 is, more or less, a missile that flies much of its trajectory in a ballistic arc and achieves basically mach 7 max velocity, similar to any ballistic missile of similar size. A missile that can do 400 km as surface to air weapon, meaning that has enough speed/energy left to do an interception at 15km altitude at said distance - will likely be able to cover at least 600 km or more in a more ballistic path against a slow surface target (with still some energy left for terminal target tracking corrections)

Weapons like DF-21, which are quite large, likely do have a bigger thermal signature. But those wouldn't fit inside the standard VLS anyway.
 

latenlazy

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Its a good read but nothing original. The words to describe it is 'bland' and 'safe'. The use of fan created illustrations also mar the report.
I actually think this is a much better report than what the USN usually generates. Lyle has obviously learned a lot from the PLA watching community, well beyond the general rote conventions of Pentagon assessments. Of course I think he softly hedges on a lot of things that I think he probably knows are more concrete, for the obvious reasons that he probably doesn’t want to rock the boat, and because you don’t want to make strong claims in an official report when details are still thin.
 
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