055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[AndrewS]

I expect China to downgrade the shipbuilding rate soon enough (2022). China requires to induct good sailors and impart good training to them. We don't want them ramming into Civilian Tankers. 75% the size of USN would be more than enough for China. That means 50 to 60 DDGs

We already see 40+ modern DDGs launched recently.

If you think China will end up with 50-60 DDGs, it means you expect a crash stop to DDG production.
Note that they just ramped up to 10 DDG this year.
Previously they were building at 3 DDG per year.

 

[Xizor]

We already see 40+ modern DDGs launched recently.

If you think China will end up with 50-60 DDGs, it means you expect a crash stop to DDG production.
Note that they just ramped up to 10 DDG this year.
Previously they were building at 3 DDG per year.

And they will continue with the rate for two more years. In fact 10 might be a coincidental peak.
China will also decommission many older class ships. A qualitative and quantitative push is being made as of right now. In any case, shipbuilding will either plateau or decline within the next five years. The end of this 3 to 5 year spree, China will be stabilizing its shipbuilding and ensure that its fleet is highly capable, technology intense, future proof and competitive. Basically a world class navy.
Large Surface Combatant (DDG) numbers will be maintained to be roughly 50 ships while china will make efforts to retire and replace its many small tonnage ships to properly answer the "Distributed Lethality" doctrine pursued by its prime adversary. What according to you can be done to counter a networked, agile and potent swarm of capable lighter tonnage ships ?

 

[AndrewS]

And they will continue with the rate for two more years. In fact 10 might be a coincidental peak.
China will also decommission many older class ships. A qualitative and quantitative push is being made as of right now. In any case, shipbuilding will either plateau or decline within the next five years. The end of this 3 to 5 year spree, China will be stabilizing its shipbuilding and ensure that its fleet is highly capable, technology intense, future proof and competitive. Basically a world class navy.
Large Surface Combatant (DDG) numbers will be maintained to be roughly 50 ships while china will make efforts to retire and replace its many small tonnage ships to properly answer the "Distributed Lethality" doctrine pursued by its prime adversary. What according to you can be done to counter a networked, agile and potent swarm of capable lighter tonnage ships ?

China doesn't face a "networked, agile and potent swarm of capable lighter tonnage ships "
The US Navy is really top-heavy with large AEGIS ships.

In comparison, it is the Chinese Navy which is has a "networked, agile and potent swarm of capable lighter tonnage ships "

Eg.
83x Type-022 (500ton) Missile Boats
70+ Type-056 (1500ton) Corvettes
30+ Type-054 (4000ton) Frigates
Then you have the Chinese Destroyers and larger ships.

You ask the question about the Chinese response to the US battle network.
I'd start with this CNAS report:

Beating the Americans at Their Own Game
An Offset Strategy with Chinese Characteristics

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I agree shipbuilding will plateau or decline in the next 5 years, but that the "stable" level will still be quite high eg. 3-6 DDG per year.
And remember the Chinese Navy no longer has many older ships to decommission.

There are like 10? older destroyers left and we already have 40 modern destroyers recently launched.
If China only produces 10 destroyers in the next 3 years, that already takes us to your fleet of 50 modern destroyers
So are the shipyards going to completely stop destroyer production for the next 15 years?

Hence I expect most of the new destroyer construction will be growth.

 

[Tam]

@Tam ..... Before replying you, let me tell you that there is nothing matured yet & no one knows how many & which type of DDGs PN would go for. As its still in rumors criteria but through very reliable PN circles...

As said earlier, the idea behind such acquisitions are to have as many platforms as possible at fast rate with least possible expenditures ...




No, because Pakistanis are working with Ukrainians on several projects such as MBTs .... where there are ToT also in work for MBT engines... so IMO no issue...




RD 93 is the prime example & honey moon days are over between Russia & India, in fact things are very unfriendly after SU-57 pull back by India... Secondly majority of gadgets (Radars/weapon suits etc) are Chinese origin....

Not unfriendly enough as India is still buying Russian frigates and plan to build more of them.

Agreed, but again PN doctrine is to defend its waters & keep SLoC & EEZ open & has no such long escort mission intentions. Hence, this is might not PN concern...

Range has nothing to do when the ship's engines are just a pain to maintain. You end up with a higher operating cost for the old destroyers compared to the frigates.

If you have no intention for long range missions, then there is no point in having destroyers at all. You are better off with frigates, which are less costly and easier to operate.

 

[by78]

A newly released old image from the naval review earlier this year.

(2048 × 1280)

 

[Tam]

This would be a nice picture, but destroyed by this watermark. Posted by LKJ86 at the PDF.

 

[Joe3936]

A newly released old image from the naval review earlier this year.

(2048 × 1280)

Nanchang, DDG 101 with exactly 101 officers on deck for the review

 

[by78]

Two more high-resolution magazine scans...

 

[by78]

A 055 next to carrier Shandong.

 

[Tam]

The Shandong didn't go to the shipyard where the destroyers are being made and fitted, instead, one of the Type 055 is being fitted in the shipyard where the Liaoning was converted and the Shandong was born. The two shipyards are near each other.