055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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SpicySichuan

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More high-resolution photos of the dual launch. These are some of the best angles yet and really show off the ships as they sit in the water.

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Those two ships are supporting LGBT rights! jk jk
 

taxiya

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Interesting that the two ships at Dalian won’t seem to have the top masts at launch. Anyone know why?
I don't know why but want to make a guess.

When launched, the radar is not mounted, at least not the AESA in the bridge, probably not even the smaller ones in the mast, right? So mounting the top mast or not does not make much difference, right? So, it could be just different procedures in JN and DL, and a neglectable difference perhaps.
 

taxiya

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Those two ships are supporting LGBT rights! jk jk
There are lots of good symbols, names etc. that have been ruined by some later twisting/renaming, such as besides the rainbow.
  1. Swastika symbolizing eternity was tarnished by one crazy person.
  2. (in recent China) the word "comrade" being "monopolized" by some people for you-know-what purpose.
  3. The once sacred concept of Marriage has been redefined in many countries for the you-know-what purpose.
I am sure there are many more of this things. I suggest we deal it by ignoring the twisted usage/change and insisting/upholding the original meaning. People should defend what they believe rather than giving in, otherwise, tomorrow you will have to give up the meaning of your own name.
 

sferrin

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Zumwalt class is even bigger than Type 055, displaces more, yet only has 80 cells, which are also smaller than the Type 055's. (.71m and 7.9m vs. .85m and 9m).

Are you sure about those dimensions on the Type 055 cells? What are your sources? Just sayin' those numbers look a lot larger than photos would indicate. For comparison:

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That's a Mk41 Strike Length canister on the left, a MK57 PLS canister in the middle, and a canister of the size you mention above to the right.
 

Blitzo

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Are you sure about those dimensions on the Type 055 cells? What are your sources? Just sayin' those numbers look a lot larger than photos would indicate. For comparison:

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That's a Mk41 Strike Length canister on the left, a MK57 PLS canister in the middle, and a canister of the size you mention above to the right.

A little bit before the first 052D was launched there was a GJB (national military standard, like MIL-STD) leaked for a VLS, with various pages showing the specs that have been listed since (0.85m diameter, the different lengths, the fact that it is CCL hot launch as well as cold launch capable etc). It is GJB 5860-2006, and I can post some of the pages when I get home if you really want to see them.

Anyway, since that time, the pictures and videos of the new VLS (equipped on both 052D and 055) have been consistent with the GJB document. It's capable of hot launching missile via CCL (no central exhaust like Mk-41 or the 054A VLS), it can also cold launch missiles.

The many photos of 052D and 055 showing the VLS, when compared with other VLS aboard other ships, is also consistent with what the GJB document claims for its size.
If you look at top view photos of 052D compared with Tico (both have a similar beam), and look at how much larger 052D's VLS cells are compared to the Mk-41 on Tico, it should give a good perspective. Similarly, compare photos of 055 with Burkes (again, both have a similar beam), which will easily demonstrate the discrepancy in size between the 055's VLS and the Mk-41 on Burke.


So yes, it's definitely something that we're sure about, as close to fully confident as we can get for PLA watching.
 

sferrin

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A little bit before the first 052D was launched there was a GJB (national military standard, like MIL-STD) leaked for a VLS, with various pages showing the specs that have been listed since (0.85m diameter, the different lengths, the fact that it is CCL hot launch as well as cold launch capable etc). It is GJB 5860-2006, and I can post some of the pages when I get home if you really want to see them.

Anyway, since that time, the pictures and videos of the new VLS (equipped on both 052D and 055) have been consistent with the GJB document. It's capable of hot launching missile via CCL (no central exhaust like Mk-41 or the 054A VLS), it can also cold launch missiles.

The many photos of 052D and 055 showing the VLS, when compared with other VLS aboard other ships, is also consistent with what the GJB document claims for its size.
If you look at top view photos of 052D compared with Tico (both have a similar beam), and look at how much larger 052D's VLS cells are compared to the Mk-41 on Tico, it should give a good perspective. Similarly, compare photos of 055 with Burkes (again, both have a similar beam), which will easily demonstrate the discrepancy in size between the 055's VLS and the Mk-41 on Burke.


So yes, it's definitely something that we're sure about, as close to fully confident as we can get for PLA watching.


Yeah, I just put together a picture of the Type 055 previously posted with a Burke to compare. It looks like, at least the forward bank of cells is much larger compared to the width of the ship than with a Burke. It does look like the aft set of cells is closer to what you'd see in the way of the Mk41 VLS. Is that the case or am I seeing things?

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Blitzo

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Yeah, I just put together a picture of the Type 055 previously posted with a Burke to compare. It looks like, at least the forward bank of cells is much larger compared to the width of the ship than with a Burke. It does look like the aft set of cells is closer to what you'd see in the way of the Mk41 VLS. Is that the case or am I seeing things?

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Yeah 055 isn't the perfect ship to compare with Burke, especially that picture of Burke taken at an angle, because of 055s hull form/free board. It doesn't help that the Burke class tapers off at the aft as well.

If you look at pics of Tico class with 052D, and look at the rear VLS Bank of 052D, that should give a clearer perspective of the size difference.
 

Tam

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Interesting that the two ships at Dalian won’t seem to have the top masts at launch. Anyone know why?

You can also ask why one ship is launched with her HQ-10 on and the other doesn't.

I don't think its necessary to launch the ship with them, and if they were already fitted, that would be a bonus.
 

Blitzo

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Yeah, I just put together a picture of the Type 055 previously posted with a Burke to compare. It looks like, at least the forward bank of cells is much larger compared to the width of the ship than with a Burke. It does look like the aft set of cells is closer to what you'd see in the way of the Mk41 VLS. Is that the case or am I seeing things?

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Here's an album with all the GJB documents for proof, but they're in Chinese.

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