00X/004 future nuclear CATOBAR carrier thread

lcloo

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What bp popeye wrote is emergency power generator for onboard systems and lightings etc. And what Para80 described is auxiliary propulsion system that is used to move ships in slow speed or moving at the berth etc. and may also provide power to onboard systems.

These are two different type of power generators vis a vis the usages.
 

Mirabo

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Not a lot to see in the latest image, but tomorrow we'll probably get the HD version:

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The mid-section module is very interesting because from its approximate dimensions we can already infer a lot about what the final carrier will look like. Assuming this is a carrier, of course.

Some rumours and speculations we've been hearing over the last few years:
  • Dalian has undergone facility upgrades to handle nuclear equipment and construct nuclear-powered ships.
  • A nuclear carrier is likely to follow after 003's completion.
In consideration of recent photographic evidence:
  • Carrier test modules at Dalian, including some pieces with very obvious tracks where catapults would be installed.
  • Superstructure mockup in Wuhan undergoing major modifications.
And of course other points of speculation, the most significant being that progress in this drydock has been so slow, it's unlikely to be a civilian vessel. And the only military project on the table that would have a 44m beam is a large carrier.

With specific regards to the modules in drydock, it's measured to have an approximate 44m beam, which is 3 meters wider than Ford's. It might not sound like a lot, but a small increase in beam at waterline corresponds to a major increase in displacement. Someone also claims to have measured the draft at 13m, which is very difficult to determine at this stage, but if true would be deeper than Ford's 12m.

We can also expect it to be a little longer than 003, which was originally designed with shorter steam catapults but halfway through construction switched to EMALS. One unfortunate result of the extra catapult length is that the forward JBDs cross the landing strip. I expect 004 to be lengthened to around 340m to accommodate this. If we take 003's fineness ratio of 7.7 and scale it up to a 44m beam, that gives us a final length of 339m.

Based on the estimated dimensions so far, and assuming it retains a similar fineness ratio and block coefficient to 003, we could expect that 004 ends up with a full-load displacement of 100K to 105K tons.

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Despite the lower fineness ratio compared to Ford, 003 does not have as high a block coefficient as American carriers, possibly due to drag and endurance concerns due to conventional propulsion. I'd be interested to see if they go for a higher block coefficient with 004, which would result in a higher displacement, perhaps even over 110K tons.

All very preliminary speculation, of course, but it's scientific enough. Based on the same sort of analysis, I figured out in 2020 that 003 would end up at 80-85K tons full load.
 

AndrewJ

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Just in: Latest satellite imagery on 4th June indicates, a giant section is added to the front part. The section's width is approximately 37.31m. Same as the giant section previously installed in the middle part, the new section is also estimated to be an anti-mine protection sidewall compartment.

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Nx4eu

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Just in: Latest satellite imagery on 4th June indicates, a giant section is added on the front part. The section's width is approximately 37.31m. Same as the giant section previously installed in the middle part, the new section is also estimated to be an anti-mine protection sidewall compartment.

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I would laugh if after a couple of months of intensively following the construction, this ship just turns out to be some sort of commercial vessel, and the Type 004 was being constructed elsewhere.
 

AndrewJ

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I would laugh if after a couple of months of intensively following the construction, this ship just turns out to be some sort of commercial vessel, and the Type 004 was being constructed elsewhere.

Very unlikely.

1) The construction process is too slow for a commercial vessel.
2) The test module with catapult #3 & #4 is just several hundred meters away from the drydock we are looking at.
3) Considering the current island construction process in Wuhan, at least a new CV(N) is in rapid construction at a drydock, which is very difficult to hide under satellites.

So, there's definitely sth happening right now. And this drydock suits the best. :rolleyes:

There're also lots of debates when the first 076 vessel is in construction. But it turns out PLA never disappoints fanboys. I tend to believe this is CVN-004.
 
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Deino

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Just in: Latest satellite imagery on 4th June indicates, a giant section is added to the front part. The section's width is approximately 37.31m. Same as the giant section previously installed in the middle part, the new section is also estimated to be an anti-mine protection sidewall compartment.

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Honestly, I still don‘t see this as an aircraft carrier! If yes, even more so it would mean, the stern would be on the left and the ship would face to the right, totally different to what we (or at least me) knows so far!

I accept the fact, that building speed is an argument, but to take only thsi and „large modules“ as prof for an AC while so much - IMO almost everything - speaks against one, makes no sense, even if I have no better explanation what it could be.
 
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