Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

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  1. Air Force Brat
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    was not much of a fan of the Pak-fa 'til I saw this pic!
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    wOw, what lines!!!
    were the underside this clean, Pak-fa would be the #1 5th gen air frame design!
     
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    Your statement is so flawed and a gross misrepresentation that it warrants a response.

    So let's deal with each specific issue in their proper context :
    (i) that the F-35 performed poorly in a dog fight against a F-16.
    This issue had been so completely debunked due to misrepresentation that I am amazed that you are raising it.

    In contrast, at least put some weight on someone who kniows what they are talking about. For example : http://breakingdefense.com/2015/07/dunford-mulls-f-35b-ioc-decision-4-bs-take-out-9-attackers/
    (ii) F-16, thrust vectoring and supercruise
    Sorry, firstly there is no relationship in your statement as the attributes mentioned are not resident in the F-16. Secondly, while TVC and supercruise have their merits, they also bring equally downside issues to the equation, e.g.higher IR footprint.
     
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    do not take it personally, you simply have another way of looking things, to my the F-22 is the fighter that was well designed, F-35 well i agree with Pierre Spey, you do not need to agree, but in my personal view, Russia is not the USSR, the Soviet aircraft programs were kept secret more time, Russia is not like that, they have TV reports all the time about it, even pictures regularly, the TV shows Sukhoi workshops where even the PAKFA is built, just check the Russian channel 24 or channel 1 youtube channels





     
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    let us leave it here it is not a F-35 thread
     
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    No F-35 topic go on a Air-to-Air combat topic :)


    According it and as you know right now for internal armament, AAM number, F-22 is more armed as the T-50/J-20 with 8 AAM : 6 LR and 2 SR vs 6 : 4 LR and 2 SR.
    Initialy F-22 with first AIM-120A/B also was armed with 6 AAM, 8 possible thanks to new AIM-120C " compressed " wings more small.

    Chinese and Russians fighters can get this number of 8 if can do new compressed variants for R-37 and PL-12 seems possible 3 PL-12 can fit in a internal weapons bay,

    However with the small wings size of R-37 very possible 3 fit in a weapons bay in fact new fighter first infos and we discover.

    Body/Wingspan diameter : AIM-120A/B ; 18/53 AIM-120C/D ; 18/45, R-37 20/35 cm ; PL-12 20/67

    Seems very difficult/impossible do more small wings for R-37 then if 2 by weapons by is the right number the T-50 may be armed internaly with 6 AAM max.

    And it would take much reduce the size of the wings of the PL-12 possible ??

    With external hard points F-22 : max 16 AAM, T-50 : 12 and J-20 10 with minimum 4 HP ext.

    But possible T-50 can be armed with a better A2G armament, 4 arms what size 500 kg or 1 t max ? close F-35A/C for A2G weapons load 1.8 t.
     
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    Turbulence Ahead for the Russia-India Stealth Fighter
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-ahead-the-russia-india-stealth-fighter-14754

     
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    So lets do the math? 2 Russia + 2 India = 12 PAK-FA for Russia and 0 FGFA for India, yeah, that's how it adds up so far??? that's a success in anybody's book
     
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    It is not engine question only budget 12 combat fighters operationnals for 2020, a Sqn, a delay of approximately 3/4 years for a more big number initialy planned about 50 test or not but they get yet new very capable 4.5 gen fighters bombers no Stealth ofc.
     
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    b787, you should admit that you are biased like all of us are. Just because you turned out to be right on a couple of issues does not mean you are not biased.

    For the issue of T-50-5, most of us were questioning the wisdom of restoring this aircraft and thought it didn't make sense to do so It's hard to say where this program would be if they didn't take the time to restore T-50-5 and just continued with T-50-6. We do know it took over a year to get it restored to flying condition again. During that, I think it looks to have fallen behind J-20 project. Do you think it actually helped PAK-FA program to spend this much time on one damaged aircraft just so that they can make good on their word?
     
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