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timepass said:

Tu-22M3M Russian Air Force, with upgraded avionics and the ability to use the precision air-to-surface weapon. 12 Kh-15 or 3 Kh-22 missiles They can carry 12 Kh-15 (Warhead weight 150 kg/331 lb, Speed Mach 5, range 300 km/160 nm) or 3 Kh-22 missiles (Warhead1,000 kg/2,205 lb RDX, range 600 km/320 nm, speed 4.6 Mach). It will be interesting if the new Russian Naval forces will develop in the lines of the Soviet Doctrines, which it looks like. Now it is even more 'interesting' that are voices in China, that want to acquire the Tu 22M3M along its weapons, as and Tu 145, SSNs, like the Akula Class, and other weapons.

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Indication of an interest in China for Tu-22s and other weaponry, points at the realization that "some" aspects need to be fast-tracted. Reasons are obvious, as one can see the world hurtling toward WW3.

What use are Tu-22's in preventing or changing the outcome of WW3?

Can you please show concrete evidence for China interested in Tu-22s and "other weaponry"? ICBMs and SLBMs will stop WW3 from getting out of hand, or end WW3. Tu-22 does not factor into this WW3 equation one iota.

ougoah said:

What use are Tu-22's in preventing or changing the outcome of WW3?

Can you please show concrete evidence for China interested in Tu-22s and "other weaponry"? ICBMs and SLBMs will stop WW3 from getting out of hand, or end WW3. Tu-22 does not factor into this WW3 equation one iota.

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I did NOT say that China is interested in Tu-22s. But did say that "IF" China is going to procure these bombers and other Russian arsenal. Then it is an indication that armament is being fast tracted. The bomber by itself does NOT constitute a game changer. However, it does signify that China wants to expand its bomber fleet.

an interesting tweet (I heard (last month?) in Russian Internet that transfer should happen, forgot about it until now):





RFS 651 'Velikiy Ustyug' & RFS 652 'Grad Sviyazhsk', a missile corvettes a Buyan-M Class with cruise missiles 'Kalibr' arrived from the Caspian Sea to Sevastopol, today June 13, 2018 at 11.00-13.00Z

>> An amazing video released by The Russian Ministry of Defense, with footage of their fighterjets and bombers . . .

The Tu-22M3 rumors are nothing new, they have been floating around for at least a decade or so. But as the saying goes, these deals are a day late and a dollar short. 10 years ago it would have been likely that China would jump at the deal without a second though. But now with the future bomber project in the pipe line ?
Russia would have to up its game if it is ever going to make a good enough offer for the China of 2018. At least offer the plans for the Tu-160 or the Yasen. The Tu-160 can at least at this point of time still serve as a regional bomber and anti ship platform, while the benefits offered by the Yasen is quite obvious.

Well if I'm to generalise, Russians have typically been the group to see the worst in China and underestimate it the most. Russian attitude towards China remains one of arrogance and the group think of Chinese advances all being mostly faked, copied, and not as good as claimed, dominates any discussion and academic effort to evaluate their export relationship with China. They certainly hold multiple edges over China in some areas and a few things China bought gives off the impression that complete reliance is still the norm despite China's attempts to change the image. Or so they think. No doubt there are a great deal of things to be learned from making small purchases once in a while. Especially if they don't hurt the wallet. Su-35 shows what RuAF and IAF's (MKI) most capable current fighters are like. It can offer insights into how the Russian engineers improved the product and how effective its subsystems are. Whether or not TVC on flanker with capable control systems really offer more effectiveness in real life combat situations. Similarly there are great deal of things to ascertain about the S-400 claims. If it can target and shoot down F-22s like some claim (lol) then China will make Almaz-Antey very happy. Or very unhappy if they reverse engineer the whole thing and copy it

Tu-22 offer close to zero added advantage for the opportunity costs. They also offer very little if anything in learning opportunities. That's like Mercedes trying to sell a 1992 S-class to Hyundai in 2018. Sure it was interesting at one point in time given certain prices, but just an absolute joke of an offer today. Mercedes however may like to use it as a marketing tool to show off and make the gullible believe how much more "advanced" they are. Reality is cruel to those whoe delude themselves and time corrects everything.

in case you didn't know about Alarm-drill: 36 Russian warships sail out to Barents Sea
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Jura said:

in case you didn't know about Alarm-drill: 36 Russian warships sail out to Barents Sea
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Russian Northern Fleet starts “largest drill in 10 years”

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Russian Navy’s Northern Sea fleet has kicked off a large-scale naval drill in the Barents Sea which will see over 30 warships take part in various maneuvers.

This is the largest exercise the Northern Fleet has undertaken in the last 10 years, the navy said in a statement.

Drills will include cruise-missile firings, anti-air and anti-submarine warfare maneuvers and will conclude at the end of the next week.

Sections of the Barents Sea will be closed for civil navigation and flights for the duration of the exercise.

Among the 36 ships taking part in the drill are missile cruiser Marshal Ustinov, Udaloy-class destroyer Severomorsk and unidentified nuclear and diesel-electric submarines. The navy also said the drill would be used to test “new naval weapons”.

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[QUOTE="Tu-22 offer close to zero added advantage for the opportunity costs. They also offer very little if anything in learning opportunities. That's like Mercedes trying to sell a 1992 S-class to Hyundai in 2018. Sure it was interesting at one point in time given certain prices, but just an absolute joke of an offer today. Mercedes however may like to use it as a marketing tool to show off and make the gullible believe how much more "advanced" they are. Reality is cruel to those whoe delude themselves and time corrects everything.[/QUOTE]

That's at least a simplification given that US Russian and Chinese AFs rely to 50-60 years old heavy bombers.Tu-16(H-6) is preferable from a supersonic strategic bomber capable of launching kh-22's?No. But nowdays seems a light at the tunnel, that maybe a decade from now PLA could introduce a domestic built strategic bomber...a decade. It's all about strategic orientation. Probably nowdays PLAF is not really interesting to deep penetration air attacks.