RIMPAC 2018

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    Why do you think US should challenge China and not others?
     
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    what makes you say
    [implying me] "think US should challenge China and not others"
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    Because (???)o_O
     
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    You said "anyway I don't understand why the US didn't challenge China" and mentioned no other
     
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    is that it?
    this made you say 29 minutes ago
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    here's comes NavalToday story
    US disinvites China from exercise RIMPAC 2018
    source: https://navaltoday.com/2018/05/24/us-disinvites-china-from-exercise-rimpac-2018/
     
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    Let me be blatantly honest, Rimpac is NATO without a treaty from its inception. It is a demonstration of USN domination of the Pacific Ocean. The invitation of non compliant countries is pure political maneuver to say "I am not picking on you, are we good?". The natural response from the invitee is of course "Sure, we are good, I did not think you were picking on me." The invitation could not have been sincere because true sincerity means no rimpac in the first place. The acceptance of the invitation is just "don't slap the smiling face politeness". Neither sides want to be seen as confrontational. Removing this political layer, what is left is military drill of allies. A drill always has a target, nobody is playing an expensive game with guns and missiles.

    The conclusion is, neither did US want China in the party, nor was China eager in joining the party. Nothing worth to be excited about.
     
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    now was thinking about this 'disinvite' situation and I'm guessing
    RIMPAC 2018
    is going to be very interesting, as China will send surveillance vessels

    this is what I'm predicting in my chair in the middle of Europe LOL
     
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    Watching PLAN's South China Sea parade last month, I was thinking when China will hold a similar or even larger scale parade in WestPac, somewhere between 1st island chain and 2nd island chain, say.

    It appears that PLAN has set an internal target date of 2025 as the day when it will arrive as a blue-water navy. I would think that would be a good time for PLAN to hold a large parade or even a multinational naval exercise, perhaps even inviting USN ships to participate.

    Some years ago, the USN would invite PLAN to visit their various ships and facilities, in the name of transparency, trust building and avoiding miscalculations. Some of their personnel went on record saying that those also served to "deter" PLA from any miscalculation. PLAN personnel said publicly that they understood that purpose of showing off. In more recent years, the USN would demand reciprocity, being sensitive that they should not disclose or expose more information than absolutely necessary to their PLAN counterparts. That's why we saw high-level officers from USN visiting Liaoning and conventional submarines etc. So I do observe attitudes change over time and will definitely expect more to come.
     
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    All those years it has been a gigantic waste of time and resources for China, because China was never invited to the more important pieces of the RIMPAC exercies anyway, thus the "disinvite" means the gloves are now off, which is better for everyone. Heck, with the USN keeps playing chicken in SCS and their every successive CO, USPACOM begging for war against China, PLAN actually have more opportunities to conduct genuine wargames, with real USN and USAF assets as willing OPFOR. And likely the US assets will bring live ammo into the scene, to trigger a real war.
     
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