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bd popeye

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My thinking is to keep a combat assault helo simple and crashable like a Blackhawk. Hey, a Blackhawk is so tough you can literally loose all power, bottom the collective and hit the ground at 1500fpm and walk away

Now that's some helo pilot talk.:D

You mentioned a AEW or ASW version of the MV-22 for smaller flight decks. I believe in this thread, somewhere, Jeff Head has a pic of a proposed AEW version of an Osprey
 

man overbored

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Do you remember back in the 1990's or maybe early 2000's there were some hikers stranded on Mount Hood that the USAF attempted to rescue with an HH-60 Pave Hawk? The helo came too close to something, touched a rotor blade which immediately spit off and the helo tumbled down the snowy slopes of Mount Hood, all of which was caught by a TV news helicopter? Do you recall that crash? All four crew members survived and that airframe was rebuilt and returned to service! Blackhawks are tough. It's intentional. The Army saw how their helos were damaged or destroyed and crew were lost in combat in Vietnam. The capability document for the Blackhawk required an unheard of level of crash surviveability. The same is true of the Apache. Those two helos will survive impacts that would mangle other helos.
 

Jeff Head

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Where that thing makes tremendous sense is ... for things like ASW or AEW off small flight decks where you cannot fit an S-3 or E-2. Imagine a Cavour sized VSTOL ship using tilt rotors for long range ASW and AEW, that is the perfect mission for these. Neither mission involves a lot of hard landings or exposure to enemy fire.
Been pounding this drum now for several years. Studies have been done for the AEW version (and the ASW version too I am sure). The British considered the AEW version. Here's the concept drawing and Boeing spec sheet for the AEW version:

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Here's a couple of good links regarding some of the discussions:

The British consideration of the AEW Osprey, among other solutions:

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The US Navy looking at AEW potential for the V-22:

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bd popeye

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The Armada Espanola Juan Carlos I LPD christened today at Navantia shipyard in Ferrol, Spain:

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Jeff Head

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The Armada Espanola Juan Carlos I LPD christened today at Navantia shipyard in Ferrol, Spain:

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I'm trying to find more pics. I know they must be out there. She's a very nice looking, multi-role carrier and will be a very fitting flagship for the Spanish fleet.

With their other carrier, their AEGIS frigates, and their amphibious capabilities, the Spanish have developed a real naval force worthy of respect...as have the Italians.

If you look at Europe as a whole, with the British, the French, the Spanish and the Italians, you have a total of eight carriers eventually and some very powerful escort vessels, as well as significant amphibious capability.
 

bd popeye

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Jeff, I agree with you about your assesment of the European Navies.

I got those pics from another military forum. I checked the Spanish Navy web site and there were no new pics of their new ship.
 

Cisneros

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Jeff, I agree with you about your assesment of the European Navies.

I got those pics from another military forum. I checked the Spanish Navy web site and there were no new pics of their new ship.

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you have an amazing spanish shipspotting forum.

They have an entire threat (
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) dedicated to the new LHD Juan Carlos I with many photos (stand alone or whole secuences)posted by spanish spotters. Romarin posted a explendid secuence of photographies taken during the launching ceremony
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Scratch

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Jeff, I agree with you about your assesment of the European Navies.

I got those pics from another military forum. I checked the Spanish Navy web site and there were no new pics of their new ship.

Jeff Head: I'm trying to find more pics. I know they must be out there.

Maybe I have some more interesting pics for you two and everyone else. There's a spanish foto-forum with sub sections for SN carriers, surface vessels, subs etc.
A frequent poster regularly posts pics from Navantia shipyard. Here are his latest from today, taken yesterday evening.

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It's really nice to see Europes navies with a formidable presance at the high sees again :)
Later on the F-35B and perhaps a MV-22 varien will give the JC1 and Cavour full capabilities.
 

Tasman

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Maybe I have some more interesting pics for you two and everyone else. There's a spanish foto-forum with sub sections for SN carriers, surface vessels, subs etc.
A frequent poster regularly posts pics from Navantia shipyard. Here are his latest from today, taken yesterday evening.

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It's really nice to see Europes navies with a formidable presance at the high sees again :)
Later on the F-35B and perhaps a MV-22 varien will give the JC1 and Cavour full capabilities.

Excellent photos Scratch.

She is certainly a large and impressive ship - perhaps the most powerful LHD outside of the USN. The ski ramp is certainly prominent and should facilitate the operation of VSTOL aircraft. I can't wait to see the first of her two sister ships operational with the RAN (just needs a few F-35Bs to round out the package! :D)

Tas
 
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