A reappraisal of China's semiconductor strategy

s002wjh said:

Check my join day. We have different opinions sure then the guy start personal attacks, then got into racism etc. Which is why mod delete the rest of post. I don't tend to post a lot mostly interested in reading post on china progress because i am ethnic Chinese Americans. but over the years I've seen a lot new poster become too pro china and can't take other opinions. Beside where is this negative comments on chinese you refer to?

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Hendrik_2000 said:

You keep posting MSM article critical of China and you said here the proof that China suck But those article are written by journalist that does not has any clue what they are talking about It more like they are talking from their behind based on ideology, prejudice, race superiority.
As a proof they always citing anecdotal evidence or comment by someone who is critical or has ax to grind against against PRC

The idea are all the same China can't invent, China is backward, China is communist so they can't invent, China will implode, Chinese people will welcome democrazy, China steal etc, etc

They have been saying that for decades but none ever materialized sofar
You don't know a squat about Asia All your live you has been brainwashed that the west and US is the best I have suggestion. Couple with being visible minority diminish your sense of self worth and value. Do travel to Asia you will broaden you horizon and open your eyes. Immerse yourself with Chinese culture, tradition and value. I notice that people from lower class coming from China just completely lost their identity. So when they come to west they are going gaga

Many of US who travel widely in Asia or grew up in Asia know what the Chinese can do

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ZeEa5KPul said:

Western haters and those like you who carry their water do more than enough of that already. I've got some bad news to tell you: America will never accept you as white no matter how much you malign China and sing America's praises. They'll still call you a chink (and plenty more) behind your back, and those who don't will just say it to your face.


You just linked some forum, not even to a post you made - WTF is anyone here supposed to do with that? No one here cares to read through that trash.


You might not have noticed - people who delude themselves about America's nature never do - but the wagons are being circled. If I were you, I'd pray to your Jesus (you're a good church-going American, right?) for the courage and foresight to get out while I still could. China only gets wealthier and stronger, and America only gets more and more paranoid. If you don't make it out, then... I hope you like internment camps.


How ironic. He lived through the Chinese Cultural Revolution, you're going to live through the American Cultural Revolution. I hope you're as lucky as your father and manage to survive it.

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s002wjh said:

Check my join day. We have different opinions sure then the guy start personal attacks, then got into racism etc. Which is why mod delete the rest of post. I don't tend to post a lot mostly interested in reading post on china progress because i am ethnic Chinese Americans. but over the years I've seen a lot new poster become too pro china and can't take other opinions. Beside where is this negative comments on chinese you refer to?

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manqiangrexue said:

Don't you lie. You specifically asked me to talk about racism, questioning me several times about my personal experience with racism as if that means anything. I tried to point you to a few professionally-written articles but you were fixated on exactly how many times I was called a racial slur, as if that was the critical evidence for gauging racism! Then the mod deleted both our comments on racism, which you started.

In the future, don't ever ask me another personal question. No discussion should ever require that because anecdotal evidence never proves anything.

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s002wjh said:

i dont get it where did you get the idea sea turtle are more loyal? my dad is consider sea turtle, he doesn't like china,, many his friend are from china, they dont want go back either. i talk to so many chinese student at school during my college years, most want to find job in US, most stay in US if they can. i mean goto silicon valley, there are full of chinese immigrants, goto san fran, while they visit china quite a bit, but very few decide to go back permanently(especially if they have good jobs). again its not about loyalty its about how strong tie they have in that country(family, kids etc etc). people want to stay where they feel comfortable, doesn't matter sea turtle or foreigner. there are american stay in china after korean war or early 70s/80s, i would say they are more loyal to china then chinese live in US, and they stay because they like there. intel/amd certainly dont judge if they are native or not, all they care is if they have the skill to finish the project. there are many indian/other foreign engineer in US, it would be foolish not consider them just because they are not sea turtle.

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manqiangrexue said:

Well your dad and friends aren't sea turtles, are they? They're a bunch of selfish pricks. Sea turtles are Chinese who have decided to go back home.

I don't get why it's so hard for you to understand that a person of X ethnicity has a greater chance to be loyal to country X than a person of Y ethnicity. Does that make it clearer for you? No?
Then list some reasons that a Sea turtle would have to be loyal to China. I'll do it for you: because when China shines, all Chinese people shine; because this is truly bringing honor to the family; because this is showing all those racist schmucks that China can out-innovate them all. Now list all the reasons a completely foreigner has to be loyal to China, and I mean loyal, as in, a desire to see China rise above all other nations including their own. Go ahead, list 'em.

An American who stays in China after the Korean war is loyal to China? Are we having this problem because you don't understand what loyalty means? Do you have loyalty confused with enjoying a place?? If another conflict broke out between China and the USA, which country would these Americans want to see victorious? I have never met a Chinese person in the US who would hope that China would lose in a conflict against the US (well, there was one Falun fool but I stopped speaking to him the second I found that out). They might enjoy living in America but their loyalty is to China. They simply lack either the courage, ability or both, to go back and contribute to China. An American might enjoy living in China, but his loyalty is to the US. Get the definition of loyalty straight, and don't mix it up with the words, courage, ability, or enjoyment.

Intel and AMD can't judge on ethnicity because one, that's illegal, and two, then they'd have no talent to pick from. If an Indian or foreign engineer wanted to work for China, we should not outright reject him, but he must not be in a position of power and he must be supervised, otherwise you shouldn't be surprised if he either transfers data back to his home country or sells Chinese data to those willing to pay. Foreigners can have their use; I never said to reject all of them, but there are significant trust issues that need to be mitigated.

The point is, the talent recruitment drive should mainly target ethnic Chinese because of all the races in the world, the Chinese have the greatest reason to be loyal to China. It's not a rocket science revelation level statement. The only way you could disagree is if you were to argue that every ethnicity in the world has an equal chance of being loyal to China.

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s002wjh said:

i'm not saying china suck, but i've seen too many pro china post only NOTHING critical about china. is it something about 厉害了我的国 trend? if you goto other forum, i constantly defend China against anti-china stuff such as

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. where did i EVER say china can't invent etc etc?? Now its becoming either pro-china or anti-china, there nothing in between. China made significant progress yes, and as ethnic chinese american i'm happy for Chinese people. when was last time you post article on negative side of China? i tend to read both positive and negative, then do the research and make my own conclusion. if i'm anti-china, i wont even be on this forum since 2006.

also the post above sound like anger to me. i'm in 40s now. grow up in China, my dad in 70s, he went through culture revolution etc and travel back to china every year. So is my wife, my in law etc etc so yes i do know a bit about china. also i have never said china can't invent or bashing china. if i do please quote it here.

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