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Miragedriver

Brigadier
Her Majesty's Royal Air Force would likely respond by bolstering the strength of the Eurofighter Typhoons on the islands themselves.

Double the number of Eurofighters to eight and you have enough to cover most all possibilities.

The best thing Argentina can do now is get rid of Christina, get a real government that can govern and repair the economy. However, that is too logical and practical.
 

b787

Captain
We where all expecting it to be 12 Su-27, but the old Russian surplus Su-24s makes this even more comical.

the news are not from Argentina or Russia but British news outlets, thus they are not from government of Argentina, they say these are Su-24As, this variant is the oldest 1972-1977, if Argentina receives Su-24Ms, then that model is up to date but still old

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but it is possible that if it is true Russia might offer first lease Su-24s and later Su-34, but honestly i doubt it is true it seems more a British ploy to justify their presence in the south Atlantic
 

b787

Captain
Double the number of Eurofighters to eight and you have enough to cover most all possibilities.

The best thing Argentina can do now is get rid of Christina, get a real government that can govern and repair the economy. However, that is too logical and practical.
i do not think so, The Malvinas are basically swamps, 8 jets are not enough if you have fighters like Su-24 or Su-34 because the Islands are small and the air strips easy to target, with X-59s or other anti-ship or ASM you basically deny the air base, even an aircraft carrier is a target, for England the main deterrence is the nuclear submarines and a good fighter with long range AAMs, but a Su-24 is a real game changer, it will not be a great asset, but it will be a real threat.
The Su-34 is different aircraft it can fight back as a fighter but the Su-24 it needs escort fighters

[video=youtube;W0n4Tw8_QgY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0n4Tw8_QgY[/video]
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
the news are not from Argentina or Russia but British news outlets, thus they are not from government of Argentina....

...but it is possible that if it is true Russia might offer first lease Su-24s and later Su-34, but honestly i doubt it is true it seems more a British ploy to justify their presence in the south Atlantic

You are correct, however the Argentine government neither confirms or condems the aligations....

The second statement I am in 100% agreement.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
i do not think so, The Malvinas are basically swamps, 8 jets are not enough if you have fighters like Su-24 or Su-34 because the Islands are small and the air strips easy to target, with X-59s or other anti-ship or ASM you basically deny the air base, even an aircraft carrier is a target, for England the main deterrence is the nuclear submarines and a good fighter with long range AAMs, but a Su-24 is a real game changer, it will not be a great asset, but it will be a real threat.
The Su-34 is different aircraft it can fight back as a fighter but the Su-24 it needs escort fighters

Not really swamp land, but peat bogs grass land with rock out croppings. Great place if your a sheep, or just want to get away from it all. The English are no fools, and they have not only enlarged the airfield at Port Stanly, but they have most likely taken precautions against most probable forms of runway and aircraft sabotage.

I will list many of these later in the morning. Its late and I can' t type very well on a tablet. :)
 
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b787

Captain
You are correct, however the Argentine government neither confirms or condems the aligations....

The second statement I am in 100% agreement.
well Argentina does not have the ability to re-take the Islands by force not even with Su-24s, or Ka-36, if the Su-24s are true it only forces England to spend more money in the military and cut social programs, this basically is good as long as Argentina can stop England making money from the oil of the Malvinas, but if England makes money from the oil, than is very hard it will work, the Su-24 only can buzz the Eurofighters and at the most bother the oil tankers, but Argentina still is in weak position to gain a victory unless Brazil intervenes
 

b787

Captain
Not really swamp land, but peat bogs grass land with rock out croppings. Great please if your a sheep, or just want to get away from it all. The English are no fools, and they have not only enlarged the airfield at Port Stanly, but they have most likely taken precautions against most probable forms of runway and aircraft sabotage.

I will list many of these later in the morning. Its late and I can' t type very well on a tablet. :)

In the 1970s they made studies and they showed none S/VTOL fighter will be destroyed easily, the eurofighters are easy pray, in 1982 the Harrier were better because the A-4s did not have AIM-9s and the Mirage did not have AIM-9Ls, but the reality is England only can win if it uses nuclear blackmail, otherwise is the defense of those islands is not easy if Argentina gets Su-34s and PAKFAs, but consider Argentina is not interested in another war and the Su-24s can not win a war just make some political pressure
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
In the 1970s they made studies and they showed none S/VTOL fighter will be destroyed easily, the eurofighters are easy pray, in 1982 the Harrier were better because the A-4s did not have AIM-9s and the Mirage did not have AIM-9Ls, but the reality is England only can win if it uses nuclear blackmail, otherwise is the defense of those islands is not easy if Argentina gets Su-34s and PAKFAs, but consider Argentina is not interested in another war and the Su-24s can not win a war just make some political pressure

Considering that the UK regularly stations a quartet of Eurofighters plus a Voyager refueling aircraft, there is plenty of ramp space for additional aircraft. The Eurofighters are kept in hardened shelters, and such is the size of the airfield that runway-denial weapons would be unable to inhibit operations to any appreciable extent. The Eurofighter is a very capable aerial combat aircraft that's extremely well armed with AMRAAM and eventually, Meteor. And in a pinch, F-35B's can also joint the party as well.

Also, the RAF has practiced and homed their skills in long range missions, as demonstrated in Libya.

Furthermore, the UK is capable of rapidly reinforcing the Falklands; a complete infantry battlegroup can be immediately flown into the Falklands within 3 days and a full brigade with their equipment in a few more days to supplement the 1,200 troops already there. Argentina is facing roughly 30 years of the UK planning, training and hardening the defences of the islands, beyond the fact that the British military as an establishment is more professional, capable, and skilled than Argentina's military is.

Argentina's too broke to afford any of the options available, and maintaining any high end capabilities will stretch their budget to the breaking point. They will be lucky to afford trainer jets at this rate. Even a simple barter won't get Argentina very far; you need money to pay for spare parts, weapons, fuel and salaries to maintain any decent level of skill for the pilots, otherwise they will blasted out of the sky no matter what they fly. And that's beyond the fact that the UK has the ability to launch cruise missiles at Argentina from both submarines and fighters at long range.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
**Off Topic**

Last night I was on my tablet and it was late (I have a difficult time on the tablet and can only use two fingers). I will try to break down the pros of British defense together with the cons. I’m providing this just to stop this thread from becoming a Falklands/Malvinas shouting match and having the thread closed. I will post my answer to the above questions at the following thread on this forum, and we can all (please) go there and have a jolly time.

Please let use move the conversation there. Thank you.

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mil...nation-inter-rivalry-arms-buildup-4-6905.html

**On Topic**
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
The Air Force of Peru acquires another two C-27J Spartan

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(defensa.com) The Air Force of Peru acquired two medium transport aircraft Alenia Aermacchi C-27J Spartan-for a total of 119.4 million dollars. Thus have 4 devices, 12 provided, which operate under the orders of Air Group No. 8 and gradually will replace the Antonov An-32B Cline in the Missions of Transportation and Civic Action, as well as in operations against illicit drug trafficking, illegal mining and counterinsurgency in the Valley of the Apurimac River, Ene and Mantaro (VRAEM).


In November 2013, the Air Force acquired its first two C-27J Spartan in the amount of 121.9 million dollars, which will be delivered between April and May 2015. The acquisition of these two first ships includes an offset which includes not only the training program for pilots and technical personnel, also implementing a Maintenance Training System and Electronic Diagnostic Center for Electronics Service (SELECT).

The Alenia Aermacchi C-27J Spartan-is a medium transport aircraft with a length of 22.7 m, 28.7 m span. and height of 9.64 m. The propulsion borne by two Rolls-Royce AE2100-D2A 4,460 hp engines, which can reach a cruising speed of 580 km / h. Its service ceiling is 9,100 m. and scope (ferry flight) of 5,920 km, being able to carry 6 tonnes of cargo to just over 4,000 km.

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I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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