Jura The idiot
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LOL good catch Tam
I would've thought every intern in the Pentagon could at least tell the ship isn't a Burke Thursday at 1:39 PM
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I would've thought every intern in the Pentagon could at least tell the ship isn't a Burke Thursday at 1:39 PM
Jura The idiot
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Jura The idiot
General
LOL Tam has another catch
pretty ironic caption
"... this regularly-scheduled deployment bolsters presence and tactical flexibility in the Indo-Pacific"
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Lethe
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You can't build a force structure around the availability of overseas bases, as it then becomes a trivial exercise to cripple PLAN's ability to operate, no less than if USAF sized its bomber aircraft only to be able to reach China from Guam. You might as well be flashing a "strike boss here for massive damage" sign. Warship characteristics reflect intended mission profiles. Is it really so difficult to imagine that a design that had its origins in the early 2000s and the strategic requirements and ambitions of the nation at that time may not be perfectly matched to the nation's strategic requirements and ambitions in the 2030s and beyond?
No. The jumping off point for this discussion was the idea that PLAN is *not* going to slim down to a two or three-type navy. The vessel I am proposing would be in addition to ongoing 054 and 052 series development and is merely an illustration of the possibilities that exist for the future. We can have a discussion about the merits of the specific suggestion, but the broader point is this: superpowers find that they have all sorts of requirements, and they have the budgets and depth of force structure to invest not only in "swiss army knife" capabilities, but relatively niche ones as well.
I agree that a vessel of at least 2000 tons would probably be required. The limits before such a vessel ceases to make sense (as a complement to 054x, coming at the implicit opportunity cost of building additional 054x hulls) are basically determined by a handful of comparative ratios: acquisition cost, operating cost and personnel costs, vs. capabilities. 67% is probably the upper limit, i.e. the point at which you should just build more 054x frigates.
The ridiculous thing about this discussion is that you seem to acknowledge that 056 is inadequate and calls for a more capable successor. That is to say, you acknowledge that a capability gulf exists between the 056 and 054 types that could and should be narrowed. The rest is quibbling over details, although a major point of departure seems to be the conceptual emphasis I place on littoral ASW, which is because in the long run I expect this to emerge as the primary challenge for Chinese naval supremacy in the region, as the US carrier groups retreat from this position in the face of broad array of capabilities that will increasingly threaten them.
Will respond to submarine stuff later.
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Pretty certain that the Type 054B frigate is from a decided PLAN 4000 ton displacement requirement, same as the 054A. That decision for the 054B may have been made early in 2016, picking from various design proposals, the losing ones eventually became what CSSC displayed in the defense show at Abu Dhabi as export frigates, which are pegged at 4000 tons. As usual, things and proposals that are not accepted by the PLA end up being offered for export.
Recent display of export submarine designs last year may also be an indication of a Yuan class successor already at work, and the designs hint to that, which maybe a single hull this time.
Recent display of export submarine designs last year may also be an indication of a Yuan class successor already at work, and the designs hint to that, which maybe a single hull this time.