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Iron Man

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Not sure what is the point of designing this new class of cutter when they are already building 056-style cutters.

Edit: never mind, this one has a hangar. Maybe the PLAN should adapt this design into a 056B corvette. :)
 

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about target missiles.

Translation:

Domestic systems:
  • CX-1 (not the same as the export CX-1 AShM):
    • Modified AAM
    • Targeting and explosives compartments removed and replaced with a towed IR source for simulation of IR aerial targets.
  • TQ (图强)-3:
    • Modified HQ-2
    • Navigates using guidance radar
    • Max ceiling of more than 10km
    • During interception stage, it flies at a speed of between Mach 1.7-3.4
    • Max range of around 40km
    • Min (frontal) RCS of 0.5m² and max (side) of 1.8m²
    • Used to provide test targets for various radar-guided missiles
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  • JM-1:
    • Used to simulate subsonic AShMs and LACMs
    • Speed in level flight is Mach 0.75
    • Flying altitude is 30m above water and 200m above hilly terrain
    • Can be flown autonomously or piloted
  • DHZM-8:
    • New configurable target drone
    • Can simulate multiple target types in all relevant altitudes
    • Can be configured to fly at any speed between Mach 0.8-3 due to presence of multiple propulsion methods
    • Minimum flight ceiling is less than 10m and maximum of ~10km
    • Max range of greater than 40km
    • Successful development of this system greatly assisted with the development and verification of AShMs and naval missile-interception systems
    • One of its uses is to simulate YJ-12 in all three types of flight modes; HI-HI, LO-HI, and LO-LO -- in the first two modes, the YJ-12 is able to achieve Mach 4+ in its terminal attack dive

Export systems:
  • BW(北威)IX-1B:
    • Low-altitude subsonic target drone
    • Frontal RCS around 0.05m²
    • Side RCS around 0.5m²
    • Used to simulate low or reduced-RCS aircraft and munitions
    • Used as target for both IR-guided and radar-guided missiles
  • BWIIIX-2:
    • Speed Mach 2.5
    • Flight altitude lower than 10m
    • Used to simulate domestic and foreign sea-skimming supersonic AShMs
    • Has a greater interception difficulty than the Taiwanese HF-3
    • When put in context of the entire PLA catalogue of target drones, the BWIIIX-2 has a medium interception difficulty
    • Has a similar interception difficulty to the export CX-1 AShM and BrahMos
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  • BWID-9
    • Used to simulate SRBM reentry vehicles
    • A variant is already in service with the PLA
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pb19980515 also mentioned an anecdote where the PLAN tested a new missile-interception system (not CIWS) and shot down every drone the PLAN could throw at it. Thus, there was a period of time where the PLAN did not know the performance ceiling of their new weapons system. This was eventually rectified when a new target drone based on the YJ-18 missile body was developed.

He also explained why the YJ-18 was able to win prestigious national scientific advancement awards for a supposedly simple modification of an imported missile. The YJ-18 possesses two sensitive functions that make it unlikely to be cleared for export. One, it has adaptive sea-skimming capability, meaning it can vary its flight altitude to maintain minimum height above water while taking into account the height of the waves. Two, it has an autonomous search mode to look for targets in case it loses contact with its launch platform, which is a very important capability for a submarine that might need to dive deep at moment's notice. This gives it a certain fire-and-forget capability at the cost of range as it uses precious fuel during its search phase.

The YJ-18's LACM variant is fully subsonic and has a range upwards of 2000km. It's unclear whether this variant has entered service or is still under development.

I've also found an
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on the TQ (图强) series of target drones developed during the Cold War. One of the main goals of the TQ series was to facilitate the development of the HQ-3 whose intended targets were SR-71s that might be operated by the ROC. Ultimately, the HQ-3 was cancelled but the TQ series remained to aid in the development of newer missiles. However, before the HQ-3 was cancelled, prototypes were successful in shooting down TQ-1 drones meaning the PLA would've been able to develop a credible defence against SR-71s had the HQ-3 program continued. The shutting down of the ROC's CIA-trained Black Cat Squadron probably contributed to the ending of the HQ-3 program as it meant the SR-71 wouldn't have seen opportunities to overfly the PRC. Further pages of the article also talk about the
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as well as a
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of the BW series.


Mods, @Deino @siegecrossbow etc, please consider moving this to a more appropriate thread, say the PLAN missiles thread.
 
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about would be a 20 MW IEP unit (?)
国内首台最大容量船用汽轮发电机组告捷:拥有完全知识产权
2018-01-25
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google translation is
"China's first largest capacity marine turbine generator set victory: with full intellectual property rights"
1月17日,由中船重工七〇四所自主设计、拥有完全知识产权的首台国内最大容量船用汽轮发电机组成功加载到110%。机组运行平稳,性能指标达到预期目标,宣告该型汽轮发电机组研发初战告捷,标志着我国已掌握船用大功率、中压汽轮发电机组研制的核心技术,从而使舰船用大功率汽轮发电机组研制技术取得重大突破,成功跨入20MW级时代。

该项目具有有限舱容、功能限定及低噪声等多种特殊要求,功率是我国现有舰船用汽发机组满功率的数倍,与欧美最先进汽发机组功率等级相当,是大容量电力系统的核心设备。机组技术跨越幅度大,实现难度高,具有典型示范效用,是支撑全电推进技术发展的重要成套设备,项目研制意义重大。
"On January 17, the first domestic largest capacity marine turbine generator set, independently designed by CSIC 704 and with full intellectual property rights, was successfully loaded to 110%. The unit runs smoothly and the performance index meets the expected target. It announces the initial victory of this type of turbo-generator research and development, which indicates that our country has mastered the core technology of marine high-power and medium-pressure turbo-generator research and development so that the high-power steam turbine for ships Generating unit made a major breakthrough in technology, successfully entered the 20MW-class era.

The project has a variety of special requirements such as limited capacity, limited functions and low noise. The power is several times of the full power of China's existing marine generating units. Compared with the most advanced power generating units in Europe and the United States, the power is large-capacity System of the core equipment. It is of great importance to develop complete electric propulsion technology because of the large span of the unit technology, high difficulty in realization and typical demonstration effect."
 

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now noticed through
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about would be a 20 MW IEP unit (?)
国内首台最大容量船用汽轮发电机组告捷:拥有完全知识产权
2018-01-25
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google translation is

...

The project has a variety of special requirements such as limited capacity, limited functions and low noise.
...

For what it's worth the translation of the "special requirements" might be "limited space, specific function and low noise",
so he also suggested on twitter:
"Special requirements like limited space, specific function and low noise suggest it could be installed on the next gen nuclear submarine."
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I would be very surprised if such a part of a nuclear propulsion system would be published by the Chinese, but 20MW sounds like it might be suitable.
 
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I didn't get the most recent tweet
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Exercice de confrontation entre deux flottilles amphibies de la marine chinoise en mer de Chine méridionale.

Translated from French by
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Exercise of confrontation between two amphibious fleets of Navy Chinese in South China Sea.



(I mean wouldn't an amphibious fleet be ESCORTED? it'd be unlikely it ever clashed with Opfor amphibious fleet if you know what I'm saying)
I guess this is sorta related:
Chinese navy preparing for island dispute: expert

Published: 2018/1/24
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The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy is strengthening its combat capability by conducting drills in the South China Sea in an effort to deal with potential disputes and national reunification in the future, a military expert said on Wednesday, adding that other countries should familiarize themselves with the situation.

Website navy.81.cn, affiliated to PLA Daily, reported six landing ships taking part in an exercise in the South China Sea on Monday.

The fleet conducted training, including artillery practice, the navy.81.cn website reported on Monday.

China's Type 071 amphibious landing ships - Jinggangshan and Kunlunshan - joined the exercises, according to the report.

"The PLA Navy is responding to the Central Military Commission's call for more training to strengthen combat capabilities," Li Jie, a Beijing-based naval expert, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

"The South China Sea, which has deep waters and complicated weather conditions, is suitable for the military to conduct actual combat training in an effort to deal with possible island disputes and national reunification in the future," Li said.

Li said the military drill is also sending a signal to other countries that China has the resolution and capability to safeguard its sovereignty and interests in the South China Sea.

"Countries outside the region should not meddle with the issue," he said.

Foreign countries should get used to reports on PLA Navy exercises and should not make groundless speculation as the Chinese military is strengthening its capability in keeping with China's development, Li also said.

This is the second time for the public to see reports on fleet exercises within a month.

PLA Daily reported on January 14 that two landing ships and more than 100 soldiers conducted actual combat training including air-defense and anti-missile.
 

Equation

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Could it be the "Polang"?

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There are roughly twenty sail training ships operated by navies around the world, to help prepare their officers for command at sea. Now China is adding to the fleet.
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is an 85 meter long, 1,200 ton displacement, three masted square-rigger, to be named Polang, which has been under construction since May 2016 at
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in southeastern China on the Pearl River. The ship will set 2,600 square meters of sail and will accommodate 50 cadets. It is expected to be delivered by the end of 2017.

In preparation for the delivery of Polang,
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has been built ashore at the
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. The shore-side facility, which opened in December, features a 32 meter steel mast with yards, booms and rigging to allow training in going aloft and setting and furling sails.
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