PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

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    Let this be a thread for discussion on Chinese anti-ship missiles not of the ballstic missile variety.

    Yesterday, I read an article which does a really good job of talking about China's YJ-8/83 series of missiles along with their export bretherns (C-801/802 series). I think it is quite accurate and a good read here.

    China’s Eagle Strike-Eight Anti-Ship Cruise Missiles: Designation Confusion and the Family Members from YJ-8 to YJ-8A | Defense Media Network

    Here is a snippet of it.
     
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    This whole article seems to be a series of statements about how China is unable to develop its own missiles followed by a series of total conjectures about how they may have obtained non-indigenous technology for each one.
     
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    It is a good article and written by one of our own SD members who is a serious Naval Weapons System analyst.

    I could not find anything inaccurate in what was said, but did find a lot of explanation about how the PLAN designates its missiles which cleared up a lot of confusion about the YJ-8/83 missiles.

    Thanks for posting it here, tphuang. The SD member who wrote it would rather remain annonymous at this time becaue they susppected that there would be some who would immediately attack the research and make unfounded and unsubstantiated general claims about it which they simply do not have the time to address and engage in.

    A lot of other people howerver, are publishing it precisely because it does clear up a lot of confusion about the way those missiles have been designated, or referred to over the years, which was the intent of the article.
     
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    I just explained what the authors thoughts were as regards posting it here on SD.

    The article is not about how or where the PRC got the technology although he does reference their desires to get Exocets and does document them. I do not believe it is any secret thet the PRC wanted to take a look at some of the other technology out there. It is clear from the article that the PRC went ahead and developed and produced the missiles themselves...just like they have done with the J-11B, the J-15, etc. There is no negative connotation in that. It is what happened.

    But the article is principally about the proper designation of those missiles that the PRC/PLAN has produced and I think it does a very thorough job of researching and explaining that particular issue and clears up a lot of misnomers and improper designations. That's what I got out of the article.
     
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    exactly as Jeff has put it, the article has cleared up many mis-conceptions, a good read

    anything else and you are just being naive because its as clear as it can be
     
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    Perhaps someone like you would not be expected to be rigorous about asking for more than just the speculation that makes up such a large part of the article. We are not talking about a random post on SDF, but an actual full-on article attempting to achieve the air of respectability. The clarification of designations is helpful, but only someone who didn't actually read the article would fail to see that the MAJORITY of the first page is pure speculation regarding the origins of the YJ-8 based on nothing more than the assumptions of the author, which he has not backed up. Maybe you can back him up. No? :rolleyes:
     
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    A bibliography or list of references would be a good thing...and perhaps the author will provide one for future articles, or, update this one accordingly.

    Still, as I stated earlier, it is common knowledge that the PLAN sought and looked into various technologies, particularly the Exocets before building their own similar missile...and then went about building their own as the author clearly states. There is no ill intent or "attack," or demeaning of China in making such a statement, particularly when the entire thrust of the article is about the designations and not the initial development.

    All the same however, as you state, having reference for that would improve the scholarly nature of the article.
     
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    Yes, that was my main point. China probably sought Exocets, but no evidence exists of them having acquired one. Yet the author simply assumes they MUST have done so because China could not possibly have built their own. He says that their stats are "nearly identical" yet has also said that the various stats on the internet are inaccurate, but we have only these to go on for the YJ-8. How does he know the internet stats of the YJ-8 weren't simply based loosely off those of the Exocet?
     
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    I think you should knock off your obsession with this issue of sources and just get to talk about anti-ship missiles.
     
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    Because the sources of the antiship missiles are not relevant to the antiship missiles?
     
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