Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

I have seen pictures of the mk56 on similar sized ship's so I don't think weight or size is a issue ...
... then you should perhaps check this:

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it's from:
Littoral Combat Ship:
Additional Testing and Improved Weight Management Needed Prior to Further Investments
GAO-14-749: Published: Jul 30, 2014
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I've been posting/asking about it here since ...
Aug 1, 2014
 
I am simply speculating. For example, shooter and sensor can be independent when networked i.e. the LCS might launch an NSM or equivalent and the targeting is provided by a UAV, F-35 or an F-18. In that way, the LCS is not dependent on organic sensors and the cost associated with a high end system.

thanks, Brumby, later I googled something about
“fully netted force, engage with distributed combat power,
and command with increased awareness and speed.”
in this context; it's in:
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dtulsa

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Thanks it's my understanding that the new ssc will be lighter than the proceeding one's by eliminating unneeded equipment such as cranes etc. We will just have to wait and see apparently it's still up in the whether they will be built according to sen.Mcain.
 

dtulsa

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I have my doubts if the Politicians really are going to terminate now although that would be the best idea and it wouldn't be the first or last time that's appended .
 
Thanks it's my understanding that the new ssc will be lighter than the proceeding one's by eliminating unneeded equipment such as cranes etc. ...

you could be right, dtulsa, according to
To become a frigate, the modified LCS will have Mk 38 25mm machine guns, the Multi-Function Towed Array detection system, a torpedo decoy and the Raytheon SeaRAM Anti-ship missile defense system to conduct anti-submarine and surface warfare simultaneously, as well as improved armor and signature management for self-protection. To permanently affix these assets to the ship, weight will have to be taken off. Brintzinghoffer said some equipment on the LCS will no longer be necessary, such as the crane and other handling equipment needed to launch and recover the Remote Multi-Mission Vehicle included in the mine countermeasures mission package – which will be confined to the LCSs and not used on the frigates. That change alone may take out 25 tons, he said.
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dtulsa

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I also read the new frigs. Are supposed to act independently I guess we don't need to call them lcs anymore if that's the case they better have at least essm capabilities
 
Yes without.

and here's the most recent estimate:
"$7.5 billion for 64 mission modules"
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Touring the USS Coronado Littoral Combat Ship
The commanding officer of the USS Coronado (LCS-4) invited Military.com to tour the trimaran Littoral Combat Ship during the city’s 35th annual Fleet Week celebration of the Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard.

The first thing this correspondent noticed upon entering the ship’s mission bay is that nearly every part of its interior is covered in shiny silver insulation that, as Cmdr. Peter Kim noted, is designed to shield the aluminum hull from fire.

Aluminum has a lower melting point than steel, but it’s also much lighter, allowing the ship to sail at speeds of almost 50 knots — one of many trade-offs engineers made to push the technological envelope of the ship, Kim said.

“This ship is all about finding efficiencies,” he said. “We’re really pushing the envelope on how you can do more with less.”

For example, the vessel — the second Independence-class LCS — has total crew of about 90 sailors, including a core crew of about 50 sailors, a helicopter detachment of about 20 sailors and a surface warfare mission package of about 20 sailors, Kim said. By comparison, a cruiser or a destroyer require between 350 and 400 personnel, he said.

But with the smaller crew, all members must work hard and pull their own weight, Kim said. In the mess hall, sailors take turn on the serving line, wash their own dishes and bus their own trays, from the captain on down, he said.

The Navy plans to spend more than $29 billion on the Littoral Combat Ship acquisition program, including almost $22 billion for 32 ships (half of which will feature the trimaran design made by the Australian company Austal) and $7.5 billion for 64 mission modules, according to Pentagon budget documents. It’s the latter where many of the cost increases and schedule delays in development have occurred.

The surface warfare (SuW) mission package is designed to enable the boat to fend off swarms of small boats attacking close to shore. It includes a 57mm main deck gun, twin 30mm Bushmaster cannons, an MH-60R Seahawk chopper, a pair of 11-meter-long rigid hull inflatable boats (RIBs), and a planned MQ-8B Fire Scout helicopter drone and surface-to-surface missile.

It’s one of three modular weapon systems that can be installed or removed as needed, depending on the mission. The others are mine countermeasures (MCM) and anti-submarine and anti-submarine warfare (ASW).

Rather than require multiple hose teams, the ship features an automated sprinkler system that disburses a very fine and highly pressurized mist to extinguish fires, Kim said. Just a couple of sailors could drop anchor on the Coronado — a task that normally requires more than two dozen crew members on other ships, he said. And the bridge features rows of electronic displays that minimize, if not eliminate, the need for paper maps.

Since commissioning in 2014, the vessel has undergone testing, most recently off the coast of California, Kim said. “Our job this summer was to flex the entire ship — see what works, see what doesn’t,” he said. “The ship performed very well.”

Even so, there have been learning lessons. For example, officials have determined that about 50 crew are needed to operate the ship — not about 40 as previously planned. Bridge wings were installed so crew could better monitor docking operations. Similarly, a makeshift PA system was added to the area because a more permanent sound system to the bridge wings hasn’t been installed yet.

Kim said he envisions the Coronado, with its high speed and shallow draft, eventually performing humanitarian operations, or pairing with other Littoral Combat Ships and/or cruisers and destroyers for combat missions. “In the very near future, this is about to become the surface warfare platform of choice,” he said. “I really do think these ships represent the future — how we build, train and operate these ships.”
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dtulsa

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Thanks for the info it's.my understanding that the mission module have been pretty much scrapped and they will mostly just use the original equipment installed with rare module changes if at all very worried about damage control it doesn't have to be battle damage as several collisions have occurred in the past between ship's and subs etc
 

strehl

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Thanks for the info it's.my understanding that the mission module have been pretty much scrapped and they will mostly just use the original equipment installed with rare module changes if at all very worried about damage control it doesn't have to be battle damage as several collisions have occurred in the past between ship's and subs etc


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Mission Statement
PEO Littoral Combat Ships provides a single program executive responsible for acquiring and maintaining the littoral mission capabilities of the littoral combat ship (LCS) class from end to end, beginning with procurement, and ending with fleet employment and sustainment. These include programs in support of Mine Warfare, Littoral Combat Ship Mission Modules, Unmanned Maritime Systems, Littoral Combat Ship, and Fleet Introduction, Test & Evaluation, In-Service Support.
 
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