Japan Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

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    Exactly a lot of people here are delusional. China plan to have 3 production line for J 20 . Even discounting the news we can be sure that She will have at least 2 line open based on J 10 production line .

    Assuming the production rate of 2 per month We can calculate that by 2030 China will have 12X12X2= 288 That is roughly 12 squadron!
    So yeah keep on dreaming! Japan is fighting a loosing battle trying to compete against China with defense budget of only 50 million USD. Eventually the economy talk and I don't see it will change in the future

    Now about GDP people forget that the combined population of the wealthier provinces in China is probably exceed Europe And they have high income , based on 2016 PPP which is outdated. We have the richer province of Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Beijing and Tianjin percapita income of $30000
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    LOL will quote you again my Bethlehem steel post ...
    from F-22 Raptor Thread Jan 31, 2016
     
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    Delusional from a fanboy completely biased it is an honor :D the joke is on him ;)

    You see the deal 288 vs about 1500 in 2030 it is a good deal Yeaah :D ofc we are not in the reality o_O
     
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    Gdp has been revised up.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita
     
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    Yes now but we are talking about projections into the Future. As more come on line More F35 will be combat capable. That is something people don't get the longer the lines are open the more availability for parts integration and systems, The US has been the lead on F35 building out of one production line by the 2020's atleast 3 lines will be open meaning more production.

    Actually F15E and F22 are both capable of both air to air and air to land. And Versatility goes to the stealthy as they can also operate deeper in denied airspace. Where F15E was and still is Queen is in missions against Opfor lacking Air defence systems. however as we have seen Air defence systems in trouble zones are proliferating. As time goes by historically sophisticated systems become more common and Cheaper.
    well not entirely full. The USAF will likley still have Some F15C, F15E, a few F16 and of course T-X. US Allies like Japan and South Korea are likley to retain there conventional Airforces for some time.
    Yes as the PRC is a much larger singular nation. however and this is critical. They have a much larger area of Responsibility
    impressive numbers but they need to cover all 4 corners of China. the Northern threat of Russia, the western threat of India, the southern states, pressure on Taiwan, South Korea, North Korea, the Philippines, Japan, the US.
    They don't need to. They are upping their budget yes but they don't need to match line for line. they only need to push there own. Remember Japan is not in a vacuum. All Japan has to do is maintain it's own territorial defence and make and maintain partnerships.
     
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    I think over the last few years, it became quite clear that F-3 would be more of a 5th generation fighter, perhaps "5+" at most.

    Considering what the various proposed configurations look like (the most recent of which can be found in the thread over on secret projects: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,20794.0/all.html), namely very similar to F-22's, I think one would be have to be smoking something strange to consider it to be 6th generation.

    In any case, merely being aimed for "fielding" in the 2030s does not make a fighter under development "6th" generation (whatever that may mean).
    After all, there are many fighters under development that will likely enter service in the 2030s yet still be only 5th generation -- KFX, TFX, AMCA.

    Similarly, just because a number of fighters were introduced in the 2000s (like JASDF F-2, typhoon, rafale, J-10 etc), did not make them "5th generation". Those fighters were merely "late" 4th generation fighters (or "4+") produced after the US Teen series and USSR/Russian Flanker and Mig-29 (and French Mirage).

    Similarly, I expect KFX, TFX, AMCA, and F-3 if it gets built, to end up as more "late 5th generation fighters" or perhaps "5+" generation fighters.
     
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    dude, don't goad people...
     
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    I wasn't goading. For once, I was actually curious about what he thinks.
     
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    It's not even a storm in a teacup type situation.
    Tell me how long does it take to develop a modern fighter plane from inception to initial production?
    F-22, F-35,etc. with all the generation leap technologies took more than a decade.
    What DoD, ALTA and JASDF are mulling is what future technologies are probable, possible within a decade and which nation would be most cooperative in going ahead if co-development is chosen as a path in developing the F-3.
    It was already mentioned 5,6 years ago that the next fighter will not be ready until in the 2030's. They also floated various future concept technology that should be considered that could be incorporated. Now they are at the point of making the final decision on what is going in and what is going to be thrown out to meet the deadline.

    Nothing more.

    The F-35As were only stop gaps from the start to replace the already antiquated F-4Js in which there were no way to extend their lifespan further and no replacement on the market.
    The only question is the life extension programs for the F-15Js. Will it be enough?
    The F-35A block X may be thrown in to replace some F-2 BUT that is because they are for multipurpose fighter roles to shoot ASMs not as air superiority fighters as their main role.
    That is the main role for the F-3s.
     
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