F-22 Raptor Thread

siegecrossbow

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What shortcomings Bub??? I don't recall to many?? and you have to remember production in the early days was almost by hand, and many of the parts were manufactured for specific aircraft. I do know the F-35 has "much tighter" tolerances, and a much more precise fit.

If you think about it, the Raptor was at about the same place the F-35 is now??? when production was halted. Primarily to assure that the F-35 ThunderHogge II was "inoculated" against a bunch of idiots halting production of the F-35 saying, "we don't need two 5th gen aircraft". This was done so that we might keep our word to our partners, that my boy is the reality of politics? The Raptor was into the "lean" stage of production, and there is a LOT of meat on the bone as far as money to be made on the F-35, partners included, there are a lot of jobs and money on the line, that's why there has been no liberal call for halting the F-35.

I wasn't referring to F-22 when I was taking about airframe shortcomings.
 

Air Force Brat

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bro I've read COMPANIES producing subcomponents aren't around

Lots of companies aren't around Bub, but where there is a will there is a way. The BHO administration has been very, very hard on most businesses, even though LockMart is doing OK, this administration has hammered all businesses with a business is the bad-guy mentality. Lots of folks are out of work, and even lazy Americans love to make airplane parts. LOL
 

siegecrossbow

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Lots of companies aren't around Bub, but where there is a will there is a way. The BHO administration has been very, very hard on most businesses, even though LockMart is doing OK, this administration has hammered all businesses with a business is the bad-guy mentality. Lots of folks are out of work, and even lazy Americans love to make airplane parts. LOL

Looks like you are turning into the Wolverine lol.
 
Lots of companies aren't around Bub, but where there is a will there is a way. ...
yes but it would be similar as if you sought large nickel-steel face-hardened 16"-thick plates now: you would get the charts from an archive quickly, go to Pennsylvania, but I guess you would hear "We don't produce nickel steel anymore ... and we don't have that big ingots for face-hardening ... and anyway we don't know the chunk will withheld the stress you specified, so why don't you ask elsewhere" LOL
 

Air Force Brat

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yes but it would be similar as if you sought large nickel-steel face-hardened 16"-thick plates now: you would get the charts from an archive quickly, go to Pennsylvania, but I guess you would hear "We don't produce nickel steel anymore ... and we don't have that big ingots for face-hardening ... and anyway we don't know the chunk will withheld the stress you specified, so why don't you ask elsewhere" LOL

I'm supposing you're talking about armor plating for the hull of a battleship???
 
kinda optimistic article (dated June 27, 2015 though):
Helmet-Mounted Display For The F-22?
One of the longest-standing questions I’ve been asked about the
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is this: “why is there no helmet-mounted display for the pilot? All the other jets have them, so why not the F-22?”

I have heard a few reasons, and most have to do with the period of time when the Raptor was designed. For example, there was no high off-boresight (HOBS) air-to-air missile in the U.S. inventory at the time, and there was almost no work being done on helmet-mounted displays outside of the strike fighter community.

As the AIM-9X started its development in the late 1990s, there was also fact the Raptor carried its missiles internally, negating the pilot’s ability to manipulate the targeting data for the seeker until after the weapon had been fired. Because the
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is so fast and capable, it was almost pointless to try to steer it or adjust the point of aim after it had been fired.

Another important consideration is the shape of the Raptor’s canopy. Much like the T-6 Texan of yesteryear, the F-22 canopy is wide at the cockpit rails, then gradually narrows as it reaches the top, limiting the pilot’s head-space. Inevitably, there would be damage caused to the canopy by the HMD coming in contact with the material during air-to-air engagements, particularly
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, when the pilot would be all over the cockpit, looking for threats behind him.

Lastly, some would say the Air Force was so confident in the aircraft’s ability to kill its opponents before they got close enough to engage with a Heater, they didn’t think such a capability was necessary, either. That perspective is short-sighted and smacks of the thinking that modern fighters don’t need a gun, too, so I’ll just leave that one right there.

Segue to the present day, where the Air Force has recently drafted a program schedule and requirements list to deliver a helmet-mounted display no later than 2020.

The HMD concept was originally made a “program requirement” as far back as 2007, years after the
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capability had been fielded in legacy U.S. fighters, as well as the Eurofighter Typhoon. Thanks to squestration, a test and evaluation of the “Scorpion”
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was canceled in 2013.

Published in a document earlier this month, the F-22 Program Office is looking to field a “mature” HMD for a four-year operational test and evaluation period starting in 2017, with simulator tests in 2018, and finally a flight test program in 2019. That means the finished product would be ready for the CAF by 2020. The system must be able to be mounted on the existing
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helmet currently in use by Raptor pilots, without any reduced field of view or degradation across the F-22’s entire
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performance envelope.

Without JHMCS or HMIT, the F-22 has already shown it can fare just fine. In an engagement eight years ago, two F-22s were to take off and engage eight F-15Cs from the 65 AGRS, all equipped with AIM-9X and JHMCS. One of the Raptors ground-aborted, so the second jet took off single-ship as fragged. The engagement started beyond visual range and finished within visual range, with the Raptor killing all eight of its opponents before any were able to even get a shot off.

“I can’t see the [expletive deleted] thing,” said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron at the time. “It won’t let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me.”

It’s hard to imagine the F-22 being more lethal, but with the advent of the HMD, AIM-9X and
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–both slated to come with the increment 3.2B upgrade very soon, the Raptor’s talons are getting even sharper.
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