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Hendrik_2000 said:

Anybody know what APL stand for ?

Things are getting ready for the Indian intrusion in the Sikkim region. History tells us that the APL takes about 4 months to organize

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Hendrik_2000 said:

It take the US months close to a year to prepare for Iraqi invasion What kind of weed are you taking ?
War is not walk in the park. In 62 China wait for 9 months
You have to prepare the ground work So this position paper is formal public accusation to India after informing the Doval guy of China position of NO negotiation until India withdraw the troop

China released a statement on Wednesday on the illegal entry of Indian troops in Chinese territory, vowing to take all necessary measures to protect its legitimate and lawful rights and interests.

Experts said the Chinese foreign ministry statement indicates an escalation of tensions, warning that military conflict is one step closer.

"The China-Bhutan boundary issue is one between China and Bhutan. It has nothing to do with India," according to a statement the ministry released on Wednesday entitled "The Facts and China's Position Concerning the Indian Border Troops' Crossing of the China-India Boundary in the Sikkim Sector into the Chinese Territory."

As a third party, India has no right to interfere in boundary talks between China and Bhutan, not to mention making territorial claims on Bhutan's behalf, it read.

Foreign ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said Wednesday that China released the document to "lay out the facts of the illegal trespass of Indian border troops to the international community and give a full account of the position of the Chinese government," the Xinhua News Agency reported.

"What India has done not only severely violates China's territorial sovereignty but also poses a grave challenge to regional peace and stability and the international order, which will not be tolerated by any sovereign state," Geng said.

"The foreign ministry document shows that the crisis on the China-India border has reached a crucial moment," Zhao Gancheng, director of the Center for Asia-Pacific Studies at the Shanghai Institute for International Studies, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

The document has clarified China's bottom lines as well as the current situation. If Indian troops continue to stay in Chinese territory, the defense ministry may issue a warning next time, and then a military conflict would just be around the corner, Zhao added.

The foreign ministry statement said that "since the incident began, China has shown utmost goodwill and great restraint, and sought to communicate with India through diplomatic channels to resolve the incident. But no country should ever underestimate the resolve of the Chinese government and people to defend China's territorial sovereignty."

China will take all necessary measures to protect its legitimate and lawful rights and interests. The incident took place on the Chinese side of the delimited boundary, it said.

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Yodello said:

Been hearing something along those lines for several weeks now. Fact is, China has been invaded, and it still hasn't been able to do jackshit. In the first place, if China had shown that it has the capability of using deadly force, and is willing to use it, no country would dare step on its shores. What India has done is to show utter disrespect for Chinese military capability, because they believe China is a Paper-Tiger, and so far China has been shown to be a Paper-Tiger. India has stepped up to China's face and farted in China's nose. What's the point of all the hyped up military capabilities when you can't even deter a so-called 'inferior' enemy? Forget about U.S, Russia or the European powers, who are far more aggressive and warlike by nature and are extremely creative in matters of warfare. As I've stated so many times before, It takes more than just fancy High-Tech toys to be a true Superpower. I have a feeling that China lacks that 'edge' to catapult it into a true military superpower. Let's wait and see.

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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:

can somebody warn this guy. He is getting annoying .

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Yodello said:

Hold on... What I have stated is only from what I have observed. Can you proof anything that I've written to be unsubstantiated or nonsense? Just because you can't refute me logically, you call for me to be warned? I am only writing on this because, seriously, i sincerely believe that there is a cultural or mental thing that requires a nation or a people to be capable of becoming a true military superpower. That is what I believe is lacking in China, at least as of today.
I'm sorry for irritating you, but you're taking this too personally. Just take a moment an ponder upon what I've written. I believe it's a legitimate question to be asking, since we're all military enthusiasts.
Thanks.

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Yodello said:

Hold on... What I have stated is only from what I have observed. Can you proof anything that I've written to be unsubstantiated or nonsense? Just because you can't refute me logically, you call for me to be warned? I am only writing on this because, seriously, i sincerely believe that there is a cultural or mental thing that requires a nation or a people to be capable of becoming a true military superpower. That is what I believe is lacking in China, at least as of today.
I'm sorry for irritating you, but you're taking this too personally. Just take a moment an ponder upon what I've written. I believe it's a legitimate question to be asking, since we're all military enthusiasts.
Thanks.

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Over 40 Indian border troops & 1 bulldozer still illegally staying in the Chinese territory as of end of July: Chinese foreign ministry

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India has not pulled back troops from the Doklam face-off with the People's Liberation Army , sources said, flatly rejecting China's claim that the number of Indian soldiers at the actual confrontation site had gone down from 400 to just over 40 by July-end.

The Chinese foreign ministry, through a 15-page statement with maps, photographs and documents on Wednesday , seemed to give the impression that the Doklam crisis in Bhutanese territory , near the Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibettrijunction, had finally begun to de-escalate with India backing down from the confrontation after 45 long days.

The statement, which came after NSA Ajit Doval recently held talks with his counterpart, Yang Jiechi, also sought to drive a clear wedge between India and Bhutan. It said the “illegal action“ by “trespassing“ Indian soldiers “not only violated China's territorial sovereignty but challenged Bhutan's sovereignty and independence“. But brushing all this aside, Indian sources stressed China had unilaterally broken the status quo by trying to construct a motorable road in the Doklam area, which was physically blocked by Indian troops on June 18.They said this violated the 2012 pact between their two special representatives that the trijunction boundary points would be finalised in consultation with Bhutan.

The lengthy Chinese statement seemed to be an attempt to assuage hawkish sentiments at home and prepare the ground for what will eventually be a mutual troop withdrawal, while also trying to sell to the international community that India was the real aggressor in the Doklam dispute. “India, in fact, came to Bhutan's aid to prevent China from bullying the tiny country,“ said a source.

Around 300-350 Indian troops, with two bulldozers, continue to maintain their “non-aggressive“ vigil at the actual face-off site in the Doklam area, which is located at an altitude of over 11,000 feet.“There has been no troop reduction by India on the ground. Around the same number of PLA troops are present at the face-off site.Both sides have pitched tents at a distance of 120-150 meters from each other across the Torsa Nala.But there is no gun-pointing or animosity between the rival troops,“ the source said. Apart from the over 6,000 soldiers already deployed under two formations (63 and 112 Brigades) in east and northeast Sikkim, the Indian Army has also moved up another 2,500 soldiers from the 164 Brigade to Zuluk and Nathang Valley in the state as reinforcements, as was first reported by TOI.

The Chinese foreign ministry, on its part, claimed Beijing had “notified India in advance in full reflection of China's goodwill“ before it started the road building activity on June 16. But Beijing also seemed to be changing tack by saying the dispute was between China and Bhutan, and India had nothing to do with it. It had earlier projected the Doklam issue as an India-China tussle to avoid being accused of grabbing territory from a small country .

“The China-Bhutan boundary issue is one between China and Bhutan. It has nothing to do with India. As a third party , India has no right to interfere in or impede the boundary talks between China and Bhutan, still less the right to make territorial claims on Bhutan's behalf,“ it said.

China took the rare step of using a non-paper (a discussion paper, not a formal agreement) of the May 2006 India-China boundary talks as proof that the two countries had already agreed to a border alignment in the Sikkim region. In doing so, said sources, Beijing may have violated the principle of secrecy by making public a sensitive issue pertaining to the boundary negotiations among special representatives of the two countries.

The Chinese ministry said, “The fact of the matter is that it is India which has attempted time and again to change the status quo of the China-India boundary in the Sikkim sector, which poses a grave security threat to China.“ The action by Indian troops to block the road construction in an area where there is “a clear and delimited boundary“ is “fundamentally different from past frictions,“ said the statement.

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